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Does the Federal Government Control too much land?

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    White House praises oil drilling while blocking it on federal land

    Federal Land Ownership

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    Some of the States out west are barely states at all!
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    Absolutely.
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    Eh, probably not. I'm sure some of it could be sold, but how much of that land is both a) valuable and b) not a national park of some sort?
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    Take good look at the map... it's almost all colored in on the west coast.
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    Very little of our oil production comes from or around areas that are state or federally owned, though.
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    That's a good thing. :happy:
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    A lot of sea shores/beaches are federally protected, for good reason (fighting erosion, & ensure some public access, among other reasons), but that doesnt mean the beachfront property is owned by the government.
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    I agree.

    It seems to contradict the assertion in the OP, though.

    To the question "Does the Federal Government Control too much land?" I'd say "yes," in general.
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    So, that map shows both ownership and management/protection by our government?
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    I think many people on the Right want to drill more in Alaska. That seems to be the problem with the land protected/managed by the government.
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    Yellow = bureau of land management. They oversee a lot of land, some of it to ensure sustainable recreational use (like beaches), some of it used for other things like fracking, logging, mining, etc that they regulate.
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    I'm not sure what the right amount is, but I think it's vital that we leave large amounts of untouched land for future generations.
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    Well I don't think that it is a coincidence that most of the most highly valued land (i.e. not Idaho and Wyoming) is private land. If these lands to become valuable, then maybe we need to have a conversation. Until then, I'm not moving to Idaho. Youdaho maybe.
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    I'd like to see the government shift more of its holdings from managed use of marginal lands to permanent protection and non-use (be it in the form of national parks or what) of more ecologically significant land.

    Perhaps one way to do so would be selling less valuable BLM lands to finance the purchase of new more important lands, but the issue with that strategy is that there is very little monetary value to be realized from much of BLM's holdings.
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    and it is not oil exports, it is refined petroleum exports. we are exporting refined petroleum products because we get cheap Canadian crude for source and we have cheap natural gas to crack the carbon atom and distill it into useful fuels.

    big big difference between oil and refined petroleum products.

    large, large reserves of oil held on federal lands but companies do not want the headache of dealing with feds so they are working the private land first. biggest untapped reserve right now is in the Monterrey shale in Ca but the geology is so complex they have not figured out how to recover that resource yet. Those billions in oil tax revenue is the one thing that is going to save California when they figure out how to profitably drill it. That is, if they don't spend it as fast as it comes in.
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    That's because the federal government won't let them.
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    No, it really isn't.
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    The largest oil/shale deposits are Texas, Appalachian Basin, Michigan, Bakken/Williston and Louisiana.

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