Doctor Posts Newspaper Notice: Closing Due to Obamacare

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    This is partly true, then the large corp/hospital system can tell the Doc's how to practice, what tests to do, what procedures to do etc. If the Doc doesn't like it, hit the bricks. Suits running the show on the corporate side with the help from the Feds who want to run it on their side. Is it a scene from a movie with a smoke filled backroom? I don't know if its that coordinated, but it's not good for patients or Doctors. I've set a 15 year time clock for myself, with any luck I can get out by then.
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    Sucessful mom and pops probably provide better service or experience than Wal Mart too, but they generally can't hang cost-wise when Wal Mart plops down nearby. I'm not trying to argue that bigger is better, but medicine is increasingly not a small-time craft venture. Part of the way capitalism lowers costs is by eliminating expensive labor. Doctors groups have been pretty good at fighting back, but its been trending that way for decades, and its happened to countless other skilled professions that had less money and political power. Now, I don't see why alternative models won't spring up if people want service over price, but its pretty clear this model of operations is on the way out.
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    Nothing to do with the intent of the thread...but made me think back to Owen Wilson's character "Hansel" in Zoolander.

    The files are "in" the computer...and the theme song to "2001: A Space Odyssey" erupting.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong here, but would he have to comply with all this EHR stuff if he wasnt taking Medicare or Medicaid reimbursements? I would assume a big chunk of his income is derived from government payments, or people receiving government benefits. If he stopped taking Medicare/Medicaid he could do whatever he wanted right?
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    That's true, but most primary docs live in an area that can't support a cash only/private insurance only practice (I would think much of Kentucky would fit in this category) or don't want to take that business risk.
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    It may become more feasible in the future if more people are in high deductible plans, the will realize they are paying cash for most Doc visits anyway.
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    No. They assumed our representatives would represent regardless of lobbying. Unfortunately they do not anymore. Hence our situation...
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    Impressive :)
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    That is not how capitalism works at all!

    Capitalism meets the demand of the consumer. And there is demand for better service in medicine. Corporations know this. And how do they obtain the business of those who do not patronize their services? In this case the use of government...

    You try to call it expensive labor. It is called paying for better service. If the service is not better the lower cost alternative will prevail. Thanks to our noncapitalist system of fascism in medicine we are eliminating a service people demand slowly. It is disgusting and frustrating that you cannot even understand you apparently know this. It is like you just want to disagree with me just because...
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    Exactly!

    In fact it is more expensive in many cases vs finding a doctor that has full autonomy in the doctor patient relationship. Now corporations do not want you to know this...
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    The OP doctor was only in business because of the government. He neither has the resources or customer base to do cash/private insurance only. If he wasnt relying on Medicare/Medicaid payments, he wouldnt need to do the EHR stuff. How was the OP scenario any more/less indicative of capitalism or facism, or whatever you want to call it?
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    Yes he was seeing patients through our bankrupt socialist side of healthcare receiving the lowest reimbursement rates out there in doing so. Now that same bankrupt system that pays some of the lowest reimbursement rates wants to force him to spend capital he does not have.

    Brilliant! :rolleyes:

    One might even see the fascism coming out in using government to remove this competitor...
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    On June 3rd I had surgery to repair a torn labrum and a torn rotator cuff-it was a workers comp claim-on Sept 3rd during rehab I suffered a retear- it took until yesterday for WC to approve another surgery-then this morning my Dr calls me to inform me that due to obamacare he is retiring-makes me feel all giddy inside just thinking about this wonderful bill
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    But he couldnt compete, either independently or with government assistance .... so, the question is ... why shouldnt he be closing?
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    What are you talking about?

    He was competing just fine in the system we had (no doubt screwed up with government involvement). Now he is being squeezed out by the government...
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    You mean the same government that was keeping him in business in the first place? Do you normally get upset when someone who's business depends on government contracts or payments goes out of business because the money dries up or the regulations are altered? Here we have a de facto public employee being forced into retirement because of an effort by the government to increase efficiency long term by transitioning to EHR, and he's become a conservative folk hero (and I'm on the opposite side). The politics of medicine are interesting to say the least. The guy made a deal with the devil and the devil changed the terms, end of story.
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    All of this mess is why I advocate for government assistance for medicine being done like government assistance for food. People who buy food with food stamps (or whatever they're called now) don't pay a different price than anyone else, and they're not told which stores they can or can't shop at, and the grocery store doesn't have to do a crapload of extra paperwork with each transaction.
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    Really?

    Yes the same government that overstepped its responsibilities back in the 60's creating a scenario where a lot of people are dependent on it vs a real capitalist market is squeezing this guy out. It has nothing to do with efficiency. A good doctor can diagnose and make the call right then and there for a patient. But I am glad you appear to like the idea of becoming a number at a corporate outfit...

    Sucks for those who did not want that.
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    I agree.

    Create government clinics (I think it should be done from the state level). If people want to priortize their healthcare let them. Get the federal government and beauracracy out of the way!
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    It's funny to see people who usually advocate for crushing corporate control of this country suddenly pivot to fighting for the poor, oppressed individual.

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