Disappointing news for the Republican Party

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    Agree 100%, let everybody that will be paying for this crapfest find out exactly how much it REALLY cost them.
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    And as I and others have said here many times GOOD LUCK finding someone to take Medicaid!! See them in the ER!
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    What about the fact that millions of Americans have already lost their coverage, and that 10s of millions more will lose their employer provided health insurance by the end of next year? Our firm has provided health insurance coverage for our employees for as long as I can remember. Will that coverage have to be dropped?

    What about the dramatic increases in premiums, and higher deductibles? What about young couples who cannot afford the higher premiums???

    If anyone knows what the debacle called care for veterans is, it will soon look great. What is the present backlog for processing claims for vets? Will the backlog for Americans be better or worse once ObamaCare is implemented?

    IF OBAMACARE IS SO GREAT, WHY HAS CONGRESS DECLARED ITSELF EXEMPT??
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    It will better because we will all be on the same playing field man it's about fairness!
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    I predict that early Obamacare customers will be very disappointed with how the hackers will be using their personal information to open new credit card accounts and start spending money that they will be responsible for paying back.

    Some might even blame Obamacare for their ruined financial lives. But the hackers will be grateful, and will vote democrat. So you've got that going for you...

    I predict the democrats will be disappointed with a total repeal of Obamacare in 2017. A Republican president, Congress and Senate will be charged with repealing this mess before it does too much damage. It's a shame, because it probably could be reformed into something useful. Then we can limit Obama's legacy to adding $12 trillion to the federal debt, and bungling green energy, compromising security in Libya and Mexico, and screwing up Syria.
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    You don't know why this is? All the new plans out there have higher deductibles than a conventional insurance plan. If you don't think you will hit your deductible, and you have discretionary medical care (new glasses, or surgery that can be delayed until the following year, for example), you delay the medical care and see if you hit the deductible next year. It doesn't mean that medical care costs are permanently reduced OR that people are getting better medical care. In some cases, people will avoid medical care that they have to pay for that may save their life. In those cases, people are getting worse medical care. And if the medical problem gets worse, it may cost more to fix when it is finally addressed.

    But keep drawing a straight line into the future based on a couple of data points.
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    chompy wants the socialism so he looks for any bright spot he can find with this clusterphuk
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    That was the plan. Take care of the bottom 10% and punish the rest of us by making us pay increased premiums, copays and deductables.

    What is comical is watching those who supported the plan, get canceled, see their new premiums go through the roof and learning their current docs and health care facilities are not part of the exchange. When they bitch or complain, I tell them to go look in the mirror and blame the person they see for buying the bullchit from President Pinochio.
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    Chompy, how is Obama going to explain the fact that there will be significantly less people insured on Jan 1, 2014 than there were on Jan 1, 2013? And the collective costs of those of us who are insured, are massively higher? And by the way, both of the above are facts and not debatable.
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    Easy....it was/is bush's fault. Oh wait, that is shab's line.
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    Invest in cattleprods. The entire system incentivizes the young and healthy to run like hell from Obamacare -- they'll be better off paying their fine (at least for a couple years) and then only buying the insurance if they get sick. Or, self-insuring or finding an employer that self-insures. And hell, as the thing continues to jackhammer the private insurance industry, by three years from now, it might *still* be cheaper to pay the fine.
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    The only disappointing news for the Pubs/RINOs is that the Tea Party will render them obsolete soon enough.
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    Quit repeating that silly lie. Congress hasn't declared anything. Congress has an employer plan and like anyone who has one of those they are exempt from using the exchanges.

    As for companies dropping health coverage, that is an overblown scare tactic. If Company A does it, their competitor Company B will have an advantage attracting the best and the brightest.

    Higher deductibles and co-pays have been the trend for a decade now. So have double-digit premium increases. ACA bends the cost curve down over time.
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    Consider how steeply Obamacare has raised the cost curve now, I guess it will "bend down" to (best case) what it might have been in the first place.
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    makes me laugh every time I read a liberal tout the successes of Romney......
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    Bends the cost curve down over time? How do you figure? I guess kind of like Detroit's costs...bent down when city went bankrupt?
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    You forgot something....Company B isn't really hiring. Unless you're talking about part-time, hourly jobs..which comprise the majority of job gains these days.
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    yes chompy and shab- it is really working well

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...hanges-vulnerable-wi-fi-attack-sterling-beard

    According to Mark Lanterman, the CEO and chief technology officer of Computer Forensic Services who ran the simulated attack for KSTP, state-run exchanges in Minnesota, Hawaii, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, New York, Maryland, and the District of Columbia are vulnerable to it.

    Lanterman tested at least a dozen of the state-run exchanges to determine if they had the vulnerability. Kentucky, Rhode Island, Vermont, Massachusetts, and California did not. HealthCare.gov, the federal exchange, also is not vulnerable to the attack.

    MNsure, Minnesota’s exchange, insists that its website does not have a problem.

    KSTP also reports that during the period that HealthCare.gov was hosted by servers owned by Google, the tech giant appeared to be capturing MAC addresses—reporter Nick Winkler characterizes them as “computer fingerprints”—which can identify individual computers.

    “It seems weird to me,” Lanterman told KSTP. “I’m a little bit troubled by it. It’s not something that would ordinarily be collected, so someone had to make a decision to collect it.”
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    I'm not denying that the website has been a fiasco, but it's not even close to the biggest IT disaster. Knight Capital was completely destroyed by a bad roll-out and lost half a billion within 30 minutes. IBM's future system never even got off the ground even after years of development.

    This is nothing new if you know anything about the IT industry. Less than 2/5 of all IT project meet their goals. Another fifth fail completely. It's just the nature of the beast when you have hundreds or even thousands of people working on a project that contains millions upon millions of lines of code.

    That healthcare.gov at over 500 million lines of code is now mostly functional is actually a minor miracle.
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    I am an American, and want what is best for America. Both parties seem more interested in fighting against the other party than engaging in good faith negotiations to do what is best for all Americans. Is it surprising that the approval rating of Congress is at an all ime low?

    IMO, ObamaCare will do far more harm than good. Insurance premiums are rising, deductibles are rising, and many young couples will not be able to afford the premiums and the deductibles.
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