Dinesh D’Souza Is Charged With Using Straw Donors

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    They required a $500,000 bond from D'Souza. Does that suggest a bit of persecution as opposed to simple prosecution?
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    Persecution for producing a movie that had zero effect on his reelection? Kind of funny, but highly doubtful.

    The amount more likely reflects the going rate for bail. We really need to know what the bail amount was for other similarly situated defendants to make an accurate determination.
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    Jdr, Jdr, Jdr. Going rate for bail is a half million for making $20,000 in probable illegal donations to a friend he knew had no chance of winning?

    Like he's going to flee the country? Go into hiding? They're sticking it to him and deep down I think you agree.

    Question. If Obama hadn't delayed Obamacare (smart campaign strategy), the truth had come out about Benghazi, and there been no hurricane do you still think he would have won?

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    BTW, Jdr, curious, did you watch D'Sousa's film. Hard to argue with his assertions.
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    20k isn't pocket change for most folks. But yes, my guess is that bail for similar cases were probably in that same range. Note though he was released on his own recognizance with a promise to pay the unsecured bond within a week and not stuck in some jail awaiting disposition of his case as others have no doubt had.

    Benghazi & Sandy, no. Obamacare roll out, maybe so. Certainly factors in now. Timing=smart politics...don't hate. ;)

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    This has to do with a witch hunt. Any who doesn't think FOO (friends of Obama) isn't behind this is out of their minds.
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    It was Long's own campaign that identified the problematical donations and issued a refund to one of the defendants, not to DD himself. This likely spurred the investigation b/c she was the only one to receive one. Given the simplicity, I doubt the FBI had any problem following the money.

    But keep in mind, D'Souza is not even denying he did it, he's claiming it was an "act of misguided friendship." Kind of hard to claim conspiracy when the act itself has been conceded.
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    If so it would suggest persecution by a federal judge who has been on the SDNY bench for over 15 years (the prosecutor doesn't set the bond, the judge does). So to answer your question, no.
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    Maybe someone better at Google than me can find bail for similar cases. I did find a MURDER defendant in SC whose bail was set at $250,000 (shot a man in the head). Also, in California, they publish bail guidelines for different crimes and it's $500,000 for having a WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION. In this context, D'Souza's bail seems a bit of a stretch.

    Isn't this kind of violation more ordinarily a civil penalty? What happened when Obama's campaign failed to disclose millions in contributions? They were fined...

    "Barack Obama’s presidential campaign has been fined $375,000 by the Federal Election Commission for violating federal disclosure laws, Politico reports.
    An FEC audit of Obama for America’s 2008 records found the committee failed to disclose millions of dollars in contributions and dragged its feet in refunding millions more in excess contributions.
    The resulting fine, one of the largest ever handed down by the FEC, is the result of a failure to disclose or improperly disclosing thousands of contributions to Obama for America during the then-senator’s 2008 presidential run, documents show.
    The FEC says the Obama campaign failed to disclose the sources of 1,300 large donations, which together accounted for nearly $1.9 million. Election Commission rules state campaigns must report donations of $1,000 or more within 20 days of Election Day."


    "Obama for America was also fined for "untimely resolution of excessive contributions," according to the conciliation agreement, FEC says. The campaign accepted more than $1.3 million in contributions that came from donors who had already given $46,000—the maximum allowed by FEC rules. The campaign eventually refunded the excess cash but did not do so within the 60-day window allotted for resolving such cases, FEC said."

    Not for D'Souza. Prosecutors took D’Souza’s case to a grand jury, which issued a felony indictment.

    I'm not defending D'Souza's violation. But the punishment should fit the crime.

    http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...g-for-hiding-donors-keeping-illegal-donations
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    D'Souza made his enemies and he's living with it. The DD is smart enough to remain distant. When he released his movie there was a target on his back.
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    He hasn't been required to post a bail bond at all. The news articles say that he was required to obtain a signature on a "personal recognizance bond."

    While that's not really a thing federally, I believe it's an inartful reference to release under 18 USC 3142(b), allowing pretrial release on own recognizance or on an unsecured personal appearance bond. In essence, that means that no one has to post anything with the court as security (i.e. you don't temporarily deposit any money or items of value with the court like you do with a traditional secured bail bond, or give the court information about what things of value you own that they could seize like you would with an agreement to forfeit), but someone has to sign a sheet of paper saying that if he flees they agree that they will in the future pay the court that amount.
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    So to summarize, we can tell that DOJ is persecuting him because a senior federal judge who has been on the bench since 1998 released him without requiring him to post any security at all other than an unsecured pledge.

    :rolleyes:
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    Perhaps people thinking that the use of the second most lenient release condition allowed in federal court is proof of persecution, or who want to ascribe the acts of a federal judge (the judiciary) to the DOJ (the executive), would do well to learn something about how the federal justice system works before positing on what it "obviously proves."
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    Many of us can put 2+2 together along with this regimes tendency to go after their enemies.
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    shouldn't the Gov target those who break the law?
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    To simplify it a little bit more since you're apparently still letting this soar over your head: a federal judge who was appointed in 1998 is not a part of "this regime," and an unsecured personal appearance bond is not an onerous release condition at all.

    Your "putting 2+2 together" is more along the lines of "adding blue + 3 and coming up with banana as the answer" in your quest to think that a judge who has nothing to do with the administration granting one of the most lenient releases around is somehow proof of a persecution.
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    That was hilarious. When in doubt, choose banana.
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