Difference Between Florida and Bama

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  1. ajoseph
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    We keep hearing about how Muschamp wants our program to mirror Bama's. However, there is a key, fundamental difference between our respective programs. Bama's DNA is and has always been sound, fundamental football with dominant offensive and defensive lines. They have never been known for any flash.

    Florida, on the other hand, has at the core of its DNA pure athleticism which is predicated on its unique and expansive recruiting base. Pell, and then Spurrier, exploited this talent base. Spurrier produced a fun, exciting and championship style of play, bolstered by strong and athletic defenses, that we all came to view as our birthright. It defined Florida. Meyer followed that up with his version of the spread, which is founded on speed and personnel mismatches. At its height, it was really fun to watch, but more importantly, it was a style of play that the recruits wanted to play, and the fans wanted to watch.

    Muschamp is in year three of his endeavor to turn our program into Bama's model. It should now be evident that we are not Bama, just as Bama is not us. Our recruiting base does not want to play for a slow-tempo team; and our fans surely would prefer a more exciting brand of offense (even with the crazy wins last year).

    I really think Muschamp has done a great job with certain aspects of our program. But if he is to remain here, he needs to understand and appreciate that his mindset of what a Florida offense should look does not comport with those who want to play, and those who want to pay to see it. And he needs to adjust his philosophy accordingly. If not, maybe it is time to fully acknowledge by all that this is a mismatch for all concerned.
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    ALA hired a proven HBC........We didn't.
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    The biggest difference between the two programs is that people have this misconception that Bama is some slow prodding offense that runs it 50 times a game which is a lie. Granted they were a run heavy offense when Saban first got there but around 2009 and on, they started opening it up (having Julio Jones helped)

    Bama is smart enough to call plays on offense that takes advantages of their strengths vs the opposition weakness. Basically watch the pass plays being called here against aTm and see how they actually attack them

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LuKU3P_McM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2x5-2S_pyM
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    Nice analysis, but Pell had a Bama-like team, and NFL bound bluechippers went to him like a moth to flame until the sanctions hit.

    Similarly, lots of Florida bluechippers are lining up to join Saban's little band of smashmouth specialists up in Tuscaloosa.

    Recruits don't even remember the Fun n' Gun (heck, Spurrier hardly remembers it). Even the Tebow years was four years ago, when a 17 year old recruit was only 13, and probably more interested in the NFL game than college football.

    Top recruits go where they can get rings and exposure to the NFL, which is why they flood Alabama and LSU, among other smashmouth teams.
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    alabama---will throw deep on early downs, will throw to the tight end--Uf wouldn't think of doing that.
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    Bama's best WR over the past couple of years and mainstay of the offense has been Amari Cooper, an explosive South Florida kid. So I think you are grossly oversimplifying things here.
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    While we both have won 3 national championships over the past 20 years, we have 52 more wins and 4 more SEC Championships during that span. :D

    Go GATORS!
    ,WESGATORS
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    Even Bear Bryant ran smash-mouth football with great defenses. Gene Stallings won with fundamental smashmouth football with great defenses. Nobody really won consistently at Florida until we (Spurrier) found a way to exploit our backyard talent (with incredible speed and quickness) (the same way Miami and FSU do).
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    I think the primary difference between Bama and UF in recent years has primarily been the stability of the coaching staff since Saban came in. Kirby Smart has been with Saban since before he came to Bama and DC since 2008. Jim McElwain was Saban OC from 2008 through last year.

    Since Spurrier left, we've had almost a revolving door of DCs and OC's it seems like almost every year as our team success has gotten so many formers assistant coaches head coaching jobs.

    I don't know why Smart has stayed so long at Bama, but that continuity in coordinators, along with having the same head coach now for 7 seasons, allows players coming through that system to learn and perfect skills in one system. And you can see that even the change to Nussmeier as OC has had an effect on the offense.

    Coaching stability cannot be understated! FSU had similar stability and success through much of the Bowden era.

    I think what's hurt UF more than anything is not just changing coaches but complete overhauls of the system, particularly on offense, where we went from the spread, to whatever the hell Weis ran to trying to be a power running team with Pease who never really coached power running at Boise State.

    We've got kids who've gone through UF, like Chris Leak, who had to learn 4 completely new offenses during their time at UF.

    On defense, hasn't suffered as much because you have Muschamp's largely dictating the defensive style and bringing in assistants who compliment that style. On offense, he seems a little lost.

    I think that what really needs to happen for Muschamp to be successful long-term as a head coach is that Muschamp needs to decide what style offense he wants to have run here and bring in the best COLLEGE OC for that style of play. Don't target a guy like Mike Leach for OC and expect him to coach a ball control running offense. And quit bringing in guys who just want to use UF as a stepping stone to a head coaching job.
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    I saw one this year where Alabama used two tight ends almost the whole game Thought that went out with the stone age but it worked
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    You really don't remember the Pell/Hall transition years, do you?

    Year-----W/L Record-------Pts Scored Rank-----Pts Allowed Rank--AP Rank

    1983..............9-2-1.....................32d...............................8th.................6th
    1984..............9-1-1.......................9th............................14th.................3d
    1985..............9-1-1.....................27th............................20th.................5th

    Those were not fluke teams. They were powerful, smashmouth teams in the Southern tradition, and won the same way Bryant, Stallings, Jordan and other top coaches won.
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    The OP is way off. The difference between the 2 programs is coaching stability and better recruiting along the Oline. The difference in the time it is taking to rebuild Florida is that Saban walked into a significantly more talented program in 2007 than what Muschamp inherited in 2011. This is a fact.
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    Exactly. Enough said
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    The ONLY reason why I don't remember the Pell/Hall transition is BECAUSE I went to Florida during that time. :wink: However, I did say "consistently win." You left off 1986, 87 and 88, where we were essentially a .500 team. That is not "winning consistently."
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    These were great teams with weird losses, but also set up FSU in the long run because of sanctions. All was not on TV then.
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    Bama is clearly far better now.
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    Alabama runs a lot because they have a good offensive line and stud running backs. We run a lot even though we have neither because we're trying to copy Alabama.
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    I have read on this board that Bama will pull scholarships if they can sign someone better the next year
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    As noted above, I agree with the first part, but I really don't agree with the second part.

    Meyer was able to turn a program that was a complete mess into a contender in his second season.

    Saban took a team that has always had a reputation for great defense and had great talent on that side of the ball and made it better quickly. On offense, Bama has always had a reputation as a power running team and had good talent on that side of the ball to run that type of offense and that's what they did. It took a few years before they could bring in the talented QBs and WRs to expand the offense.

    While many people argue that Meyer left the cupboards bare, that's not really true. There was plenty of talent when Muschamp arrived.

    The problem was that on offense, we were very small at RB and WR and didn't have the tools to run a ball control offense. And on defense we were small at CB so we really couldn't run the style of defense we wanted.

    Last year I think we ran more of the style he wanted to play and it looked like we had the pieces in place to do it. But I think last year we had a lot of good fortune. I think this year it's become more apparent that we don't really have all the pieces we need.
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    The biggest difference between us and Bama is the O-line. If Bama had our offensive line, they wouldn't throw deep passes or run the ball so well. And they wouldn't be undefeated and headed for another title.

    Muschamp is remaking this team from Meyer's speed kills spread offense, and the offensive line is still a work in progress. His first recruiting class didn't bring in many players, but then he brought in Humphries and Dunker, not knowing of course that Dunker wouldn't stay. This year he added six O-linemen, two of which were transfers and are playing, one a JUCO with modest experience, and three freshmen. I don't know the specifics, but I think he has 3-5 OLs in the upcoming class.

    This is going to take time and patience.

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