Diabetes Weight-Loss Study Ends Early With Surprising Result

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  1. Dreamliner

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    That study finds twice the mortality if you're normal weight at diagnosis. Losing weight post-diagnosis is beneficial.

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    In addition to failing at science, you're also failing at math, dream.

    1300% more likely to be diabetic against 47% less likely to die if diabetic = obesity being more dangerous.
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    Correct, twice as likely to die prematurely if you're normal rate. So, we're back to losing weight making zero sense, for multiple reasons.
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    And since there is no credible evidence that obesity causes diabetes, and since fats diabetics fare better than thin diabetics ... was there a point in there somewhere ?
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    That's not what the article says, but whatever...
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    Dream......

    Seriously....

    From the very first link you posted to start this thread.

    But sure obesity does not impact life negatively and losing weight has no positive effect.....

    I am going to submit to you a study that in reality puts this obesity thing in black and white. I am submitting it for two reason, one I am a vet so it is no doubt familiar to me, but two because humans are obviously a poor model for this sort of study. You can't put a human in confinement from birth to death to measure longevity but you can for a dog.

    http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.2002.220.1315?journalCode=javma

    Two groups of dogs, 48 dogs total, kept from birth to death. One group fed just 25% more than the other for life. Which group do you think lived longer? Which group do you think was hit with disease quicker?

    Dogs are not humans obviously but if you could ethically run the same exact study with humans do you honestly think you wouldn't get similar results? OBESITY IS BAD.
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    There is so much evidence that diabetes is significantly higher in the obese. I've posted it. Can you not read it or can you not understand it?
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    He's pretty good at drawing the opposite conclusions as the studies he cites.
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    I'm multi-tasking. I'm reporting the scientific findings and disparaging armchair medical advice at the same time.
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    What, like reporting the study's findings that fat diabetics outlive thin diabetics ?

    Nice catch, Einstein!
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    Come on Dream I am still waiting for your retort to my above post.
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    Sorry I missed it. My first point would be that even if weight-loss does help ... the vast majority of people cannot maintain weight-loss. Seriously, there is perhaps no better attested fact in the literature.

    And the second point would be that even if people could maintain weight-loss, there is no tenable link between weight-control and remission of Type II diabetes.

    Finally, why are we imploring diabetics to accomplish the highly improbable, i.e., maintaining weight-loss, when we know that diabetics can very often control their blood sugar through weight-neutral strategies such as intuitive eating and exercise ?
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    Failing at math again, dream.
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    You're clearly running out of steam. This is because you know very well that since obesity has not been shown to cause the diseases associated with obesity, that the 'health risks' you continually harp on amount to a red-herring.
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    http://health.usnews.com/health-new...nds-direct-link-between-obesity-heart-disease
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    I really don't need steam, the notion that obesity leads to a higher rate of mortality is almost universally accepted.

    You continue to fail to understand what you're reading. Which would be fine, but you're going to give some obese person some awful, awful advice.
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    Here is another study based on military applications in Sweden.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/health/03iht-03obesity.20568470.html

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