Detroit Files BK

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    Part of the of the problem is that in 1960 many people in the Detroit thought the manufacturing would never change. Many people got complacent and took their good fortune for granted.

    Also, too many long term decisions (pensions for example) were made without any risk planning.

    The local gov't, the unions, and the board of directors of the manufacturing sector were no longer competing and looking ahead for new markets and customers.

    The results are that Detroit has lost 50+% of its tax base and now they no choice but to shrink the cost of local gov't by 50+% and figure out how to become competitive. Is there another Henry Ford, or a Ransom Olds, or Alfred Sloan, or Horace and John Dodge, or Walter Chyrsler out there?
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    detroit, ruined (likely forever) by:

    (1) corrupt government "officials" -- on the take for big money, gave away the city in corrupt bond deals, sports arenas, sewer systems, etc. that the city could not afford
    (2) bloated, corrupt unions -- demanding and getting outrageous payments for salaries, pensions, benefits for products that could made better and cheaper overseas without the union inefficiency
    (3) government unions -- demanding and getting obscene long-term pension benefits that the city couldn't afford even in good times, all due to payoffs of government "officials"
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    Yes, that's what I meant by anyone who could get out doing so. Lets not pretend that the early suburbs weren't almost exclusively white. If a lot of minorities start moving into an area property values decrease (this is an economic consequence rather than a moral judgement). As suburbs grew there became more affordable housing for middle class minorities.

    The first flight out of the city was by people who were seeking historic small towns (escaping the big city atmposphere). But eventually immigration to these small towns become too much and pedestrian friendly commerce areas become cluttered with traffic. Open suburban spaces are developed into housing or commercial space. Those that moved there are now older and the town they escaped to is now gone. A lot of them then move out but even if they don't the town they found has irrevocably changed.

    I assume you are speaking of the newer union workers who never had to fight for the benefits and wages that the previous generation won. The original union workers had an appreciation of value and rose up against corporate exploitation while succeeding generations of workers were granted entitlement without any historical perspective. And of course the Auto Companies themselves had such a monopolistic reign over the other automobile companies in the world (many of which were destroyed in World War 2) that they lost their competitive edge and became fat and complacent.

    A complacent union and a complacent management almost brought the US auto industry to ruin when eventually faced with superior foreign competition. JMHO
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    it makes a difference in how to move forward
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    Once the OA bails out Detroit, the BK flood gates will open.
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    Maybe, but they probably wouldn't pick Detroit to locate their business.
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    Why did people leave Detroit? It seems that if a city knows it's manufacturing is on the decline over decades it would slowly transition it's economy. I blame this is on poor management from Dems. The Dems sound like alcoholics, it's never their fault.
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    The liberal policies of the democrat party, the greed of the unions and a breakdown of our moral culture is the reason for the failure in Detroit. This country is headed for the same result unless we make some changes.
    Less than 50% of adults in Detroit are employed and the violent crime rate is atrocious education is a farce and all we hear is Zimmerman is a racist.
    I hope that soon we can come to our senses and start doing something to save this country. It takes positive action and not empty promises, just to get a vote.
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    Again, who is the bigot here?
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    But liberals are the honest/smart ones....
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    Bottom line is, when you try to tax the hell out of your people to make up for your nanny state, people leave and your income base becomes much smaller. Detroit and other liberal cities are prime examples of what could happen if we keep at this pace.
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    Passing laws and just throwing money at a problem will not solve the problem. Throwing money at it just increases the amount corrupt politicians will take.
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    Isn't it funny how the neo-libbies seek to isolate the demise of the population as the cause for the collapse of Detroit--in order to avoid the incriminationg issue of *why* so many people left in the first place?

    Gee, was it just...coincidental, accidental, a combo....that all that 'tax base' just sponteneously decided to uproot?

    Gosh that's just so sad when a whole area just sponteously succombs to one of those evacuation epidemics that so often strike random places from time to time...

    :grin:
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    So why did the wealthier people (not just whites, but thousands of blacks as well) move to the suburbs? Whose fault is THAT?!?

    This is the trend for all the large cities that wrap their arms around endless government spending, cronyism, extended credit and corruption.
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    And if such a large tax base exited, it is the responsibility of the leaders in place to adjust their governance and budget accordingly. I don't usually get involved in the partisan bickering that dominates this board, but this was a failure of the leaders of that city.
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    Concur. Rep. sir.

    Partisanship aside, that's exactly what it comes down to. Detroit was completely salvageable going into this century, arguably even going into this decade. Their leadership simply failed miserably at even attempting to make the kinds of adjustments that were foreseeably necessary.
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    Why would anyone want to move to Detroit now that the good paying jobs in the auto industry are pretty much gone.


    They need to doze about two thirds of the city, and make things like fire and police less costly.

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