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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by HallGator, Jul 26, 2014.
Interesting take on what would happen if Hamas ceased to exist and what may take its place.
hmm- not sure what could be out there that would be any worse since hamas has as its main goal the total destruction of Israel
He mentions ISIS and that would appear to be even worse.
I think the Israeli's would take a much harder line against ISIS- but you have to conquer the foe in front of you- my way of thinking is you do your level best to destroy who is attacking you right now and worry about the others later
Perhaps they would but to allow a group such as ISIS to gain a foothold could be a grave mistake. Not saying they should allow Hamas to continue shelling them but sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't.
HAMAS and ISIS are along the same lines, not sure how worse it can get. To put it another way HAMAS is essentially the Third Reich and was pretty much a dumb thing to say for a top Pentagon official.
They have to allow it. Does anyone think that Hamas is ever going to stop shelling Israel? Does Hamas fear these periodic Israeli invasions of Gaza? No, I get the sense that Hamas enjoys them. It doesn't give a crap about the people who are dying. These invasions make Hamas look invincible, which basically it is.
Just so you know that was a charter item for Hamas when it was founded (removal of Israeli state) but when elected they did not adopt it and in fact rejected it. They call for a two-state solution.
That's what they say, Obob, but as we all can attest, many people - especially in the forms of groups or organizations, say all kinds of things, but I think it's a bit wiser to look at what they do and lend that a bit more credence than what they say. I'm not sure their actions really support their words.
Of course. On that front, however, they've made three peace proposals in the last 5 years that are posited on the creation of a Palestinian state. They've also applied for recognition in the UN and been blocked by Israel and the U.S.
Israel and Israeli leaders have rejected the two state solution.
There I was thinking this guy might actually know something about it. Guess we need to upgrade our military people so they have the intelligence acumen of some of those on the board.
So they've been blocked, it's possible that rightly so though, right? I mean, look at what they've done - at what point should they now essentially be rewarded a chunk of land that, if their recent history tells us anything, wont be enough or wouldn't be the right chunk of land anyway.
I suppose, maybe at the end of the day - looking at this in the big picture, it's impossible for me to apply a sense of objectivity or logic to a situation that's been ongoing for hundreds of years, and if we use that history as our guide, will never cease, even if they were to get a proper 'Palestine.'
I really can't believe you're bought in to Hamas. I'm pretty stunned.
Amercian "intelligence" has been anything but over the last 10 plus years. Their credibility is zero.
On top of that he is probably a fat white liberal lawyer masquerading as a general.
I may be reading this wrong but it sure seems to me we have several on too hot that favor the terrorists over our biggest ally in the middle east
I haven't at all so I'm not sure what this means.
The Israelis need to wipe out Hamas and help the Palestinians establish a democratic government.
I think the most realistic immediate concern post-Hamas would be Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
They're active in Gaza already, and the crackdown on Hamas funding has pushed a lot of Iran's backing towards PIJ as a replacement puppet. While Israel treats PIJ actions as having been carried out by Hamas (Hamas gets the blame for pretty much every attack originating in Gaza even though there are a number of other groups that are responsible for some), they are separate groups and, at least on the funding front, PIJ is already starting to emerge as something to fill the vacuum if Hamas is weakened.