Democrat Party redefines work

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    So Cobra guarantees that your next health insurance policy will cover your preexisting condition? For some reason, I did not know that.
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    The other comedy under all this is to remember that "job lock" as a concept can only exist because the market had to invent benefits like health insurance as a workaround to the progressive statist technocratic idiocy of wage controls, and it's gone on so long that somehow people morphed into thinking it is their employer's responsibility and not their own. Now the same progressive statist technocratic idiocy is supposed to be celebrated for solving "job lock".

    But just insurance job lock -- food, clothing, and shelter job lock you are just stuck with, I guess. Netflix job lock, and so on.
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    Not sure I understand. Liberals instituted wage controls? When was that?
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    world war II, the liberals in FDR's Administration
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    Of course choosing your path would mean demanding your neighbor pay for your health care while you "find yourself". Kind of like the rich kids who travel Europe after college while their Daddy pays their bills or the wives who quit at 50 while their husbands pay their bills.

    The only one who loses are the suckers paying the tab for the slackers.
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    you could have read the Ryan quote already posted.
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    I got it, thanks. But that ended almost 70 years ago. Is that the reason that health insurance is still tied to employment?
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    I mean, the levels of cognitive dissonance it takes to ignore common sense here are truly astounding. Pravda-levels of groupthink are needed to buy into the Administration's Party line--but, fortunately for them, they have legions of komrades to bleat out the message.
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    That was not the point. He said:

    "It's hardly simply living off the government. Before, someone with an existing condition would have to stay employed simply to make sure he had insurance. Now that he can get insurance elsewhere, the decision to work is based on whether he needs to work, not whether he needs insurance."

    To which I made the point that plenty of people (most) need to stay employed to pay their mortgage or rent and utilities, food etc. And if one absolutely hated their job, they could keep their existing coverage through Cobra which did include preexisting conditions. Cobra could be kept for 18 months.

    And I know of zero on the right who are opposed to requiring Insurance Companies to cover preexisting conditions if they want to play the game in a particular state. Do you?

    I believe most complaints re Obamacare revolve around the mandates requiring the insured to pay inflated prices for coverage we neither want or need with higher deductables, only to subsidize more freebies for Obama to buy more votes. Zero republicans voted for the POS and they were correct not to support it. We can do much better and will. If Obama can delay the individual mandate for three more years to get through the 2016 election, why couldn't a Pub President (using the same tactics) just delay the requirements for 50 years?
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    Believe it or not, many preexisting conditions last more than 18 months.
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    No kidding. But the argument is that people are no longer tethered due to Obamacare, can leave their jobs and get subsidies from the rest of us. Thats fantastic! They hate their jobs or feel trapped but need the job for healthcare and now can quit, work less and be subsidized by the rest of us. Do the rest of us have a choice as to whether to subsidize someone's sabatical or someone who just doesn't "feel" like working? We get to pay more for our coverage for crap we don't want or need AND get to pay for subsidies for people who "felt trapped". Helluva deal for the majority.

    AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WAS INTENDED. MIDDLE CLASS AND UPPER MIDDLE CLASS GET HOSED.
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    Not that I buy into your rhetoric, but the lower and middle classes have been getting hosed by regressive right wing policies since 1980. Libs were told since we couldn't win an election, we had to just shut up and live with it.

    Well now progressives are winning elections and shaping policy to their liking.

    Deal with it.
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    and they are making things worse- the pendulum will swing back the other way-it always does
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    Bull crap on the above. Typical victim bull chit. Those who were willing to educate themselves, apply themselves, grow, learn and show up to their jobs with a good attitude have prospered until Obama with few exceptions.

    Those who have had the world pass them by should look in the mirror and say "I and I alone am responsible." Either they were not paying attention to trends, were not constantly retooling, were lazy and counting on others for their support, had bad attitudes or were listening to their dumb ass union leadership. With very few exceptions.

    Obama policies have been a game changer for the lower middle and middle class....less so for the upper middle and the "coupon clippers" and dependent class have done fine.
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    Yes, we had a perfect society until the black president got elected. Nirvana it was.

    Complete cluelessness.
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    We actually topped out in 1999. It has not gotten back to that level since, and the major decline stared in 2007, timing with the economic crash, which seems to have stabilized and even bounced back a bit, though not yet to pre-recession levels. And that's the real issue, how do we get back to where we were? I think the answer is we don't, other than through regular growth over time. Somewhere north of 10 trillion was lost in this "recession", it's unlike anything since the great depression.
    The middle class took it on the chin for a host of reasons, the main one being that the primary piece of net worth for the average American has always been housing, and this is the first time housing has led a recession, and the first time that housing has even dropped significantly in modern history. Deflation, which is also rare historically helped keep those prices down. The investment class recouped their money because stocks rebounded, housing hasn't. And even where it has, it's too late for millions who lost their homes. And then throw on top of that the longer term trend towards a declining middle class (as shown below), companies using the great recession as a reason to further automate, offshore or otherwise create efficiencies, and the middle class is hosed.
    As for what we do, We can't inflate our way out of it, we can't count on money from the sidelines like other recessions, we just have to consider 2008 or so the new normal and start from there as the economic baseline. And we have to do that against the backdrop of a massive debt, a dysfunctional congress and our largest trading block partner (Europe) probably worse off than we are. The only countries growing at a rate that will sustain things (China and India) are countries we are large net importers of, so more money is leaving the country.
    This is why I have been saying since 2008 that Japan is the best example for what we face. It's a decade long process or longer, regardless of who is in power.
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    Nope was not perfect and we had ups and downs but President Pinochio Policies Punishing Producers and the middle class have insured plenty of part time jobs and low economic growth.
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    These subsides will eventually wipe out the middle class as they pick up the tab. Obama's world rewards the slackers and punishes the workers and acheivers.
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    Not sure why, but you are the first post in this thread to tie anything to race.
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    The only thing for sure that happens when your precious "producers" are rewarded are that they do very well. For everyone else, that sort of economic policy is a crapshoot.

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