Cruz, Lee -- Push the Button

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  1. candymanfromgc
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    He most likely wasn't but nothing can be don about that now.
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    Ba boom
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    Any criticism of O is labeled as racist. What was the epithet that was hurled at conservatives when Uncle Bill was severely criticized and eventually impeached? Anti Southern? Dangit.. I forgot Bill was really the first black president.. Sorry
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    Nothing low about it.

    LD and others have claimed on many occasion to "respect" MLK, yet have no compunction about employing the same rhetoric to smear Obama that conservatives did to smear MLK.
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    Barry is no MLK.
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    Yep.
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    So, what really are their similarities? They're both black men in positions of influence in our country? There's much more differences than similarities I think.

    Besides, what exactly do you respecting MLK JR. and disliking Obama have anything to do with each other? Race?
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    Yes.

    I wanted to know if white conservatives realize how claims of socialism, radicalism, being unAmerican, a dictator etc... are used in order to smear black leaders as a way to undermine their legitimacy?
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    Those are also empirical questions, with empirical answers.
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    Very true.
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    And why do you need to insert the adjective, "black," immediately before leaders, unless to imply the logical fallacy that criticism of only "black" leaders as being socalist, radical, unAmerican, dictators would be racist, but that similiar criticisms of leaders of any other skin color, would not.
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    Different times, different circumstances, and valid criticisms of one of two individuals that stand on the merits, quite irrespective of skin color.

    Didn't know you defaulted to bigot-accusing group think.

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    yeah, MLK liked white women :ninja:
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    So, because people claimed certain things about MLK, and used certain words to attack him, that means those words are no longer allowed to be used on other men? Or only black men? Er....? I'm having trouble understanding the logic behind this thinking. You're saying you can't claim to respect MLK, who was "smeared" by certain white men for vastly different reasons, and then also use those same terms white men used decades ago to smear MLK towards our current President? Simply because they're both black that means there's a correlation?
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    I inserted it because there is a connection and I wanted to know if you realized this. The use of such rhetoric while obviously not contained to only black leaders, is nonetheless part of an effort by right wing conservatives to undermine Obama's legitimacy in similar ways using similar rhetoric of the earlier efforts by white conservatives to undermine MLK's message of social justice and equality for African Americans. Hence the communism/socialism/radicalism smears.

    I recognize you said that you didn't believe "socialism" to be the case with Obama early on, but what has really changed? The ACA isn't socialism (neither the exchanges nor the mandate), not with its basis in market principles and the mandate's intellectual home on the right side of the aisle, and well, it doesn't fit any reasonable definition of socialism. It's also not radical even if it was a major piece of legislation. Also, the accumulation debt has actually slowed down under Obama so while there are legitimate grounds for criticism about the debt, he certainly is not radical in this regard either.

    So what exactly then makes him a socialist or a radical? What is his vision that is so fundamentally different for this country that is somehow outside the mainstream?
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    Lemmie get real academic on you . . . that's just a bunch of hooey.
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    What conservatives? You mean like Robert KKK Byrd? Is it you position that conservatives are racist?
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    You libs just cannot help yourself- you just have to play the race card- you just cannot look yourselves in the mirror and make yourself understand we don't like prezBO because of his beliefs not that he is a mulatto
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    Baghdad Bob would be envious.
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    Actually, the term "hooey," was unabashedly stolen from Bill (the meaning of "is") Clinton.

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