Cruz, Lee -- Push the Button

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  1. tim85

    tim85 Well-Known Member

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    I mean, this is a silly argument to begin with -- but from an economic standpoint, spending a couple hundred on an abortion isn't better than having a kid who will one day pay taxes and become a member of society.
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    MichiGator2002 VIP Member

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    And if they are spending for *either* option out of their *own pocket*, that is great. The second you propose the government spends dime one on either, any claim of fiscal conservatism is over. It's just gone, like the Joker's pencil in "The Dark Knight".
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    but isn't the conservative argument that these kids are stuck in a repetitive cycle of moochers, welfare babies and overall laziness

    a continual suck on the system.

    Why not just offer to break the cycle?
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    Not that simple, 99. To the individual woman or even couple, it can certainly be both, and often not a very easy decision. But as a social issue writ large, the debate has centered on two different moralities. In this way, as a public debate, fiscal concerns are secondary or even tertiary.

    Indeed, were it simply about fiscal issues, this wouldn't be much of a social issue at all.
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    yeah I know but since the thread title is about pushing buttons....
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    Why not broaden it out to state administered abortions up to the age of majority in the case of habitual miscreants and delinquents.
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    The personal element is certainly important, especially for people making the decision, who will probably make a moral choice rather than an economic one. But in the abstract sense, control of reproduction is a socio-economic issue primarily. That's probably why the debate is so heated, because its hard to reconcile the personal with the abstract.
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    Officially past the vote threshold to pass the House now.
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    Made it before midnight.
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    Passed the Senate 81-18 and the House 285-144. Neither is exactly a narrow margin.

    So why did we go through this pointless nonsense to pass something that would have made it through weeks ago again?
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    Good question.
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    Awe inspiring! What magnificent beauty.
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    The Houston Chronical un-endorsed Cruz.
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    I don't think he could bear it.
  16. tim85

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    Cruz is clearly done as a politician. How do you recover from an "un-endorsing" from the Houston Chronicle?
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    I bet Mad Magazine still likes him.
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    Now we're talking.
  19. chompalot

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    Ted Cruz is the Dr. Strangeglove of the Republican Party.

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    Look for Cruz, Lee, and Palin in MMF video.

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