Created Hate Crimes: Bigotry In Reverse

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    This is how socialists advance their agenda against the American people.

    "Last week, we were told of lesbian Dayna Morales, 22, the New Jersey waitress accused of lying about receiving an insulting note instead of a tip because she is gay. According to coworker Julie Howat, Morales has a “long history of lying” and is always in need of “sympathy and empathy.”

    In addition to lying about receiving gay insults on a recent receipt, Dayna Morales is also accused of lying about her military service, falsely telling friends that she had brain cancer and that her home was severely damaged by super storm Sandy.

    “Every story she comes up with has a lie,” Howat told the Journal News. “Any tragedy that happened, she had to be a part of it. She needed sympathy and empathy.” A former classmate of Morales’ told the newspaper that you “can’t believe much of what she says.”

    Morales allegedly also told friends that she somehow managed to survive an explosion that killed her entire platoon in Afghanistan. A U.S. Marines spokesman confirmed that the waitress served in the Marine Corps Reserve until May 2013, but there was “no indication of combat service in Iraq or Afghanistan.” Morales failed to “fulfill her reserve obligation,” the spokesman said. The explosion left her with back injuries that required surgery and a couple of months to recover, Larkin said Morales told her employer. But during her time off, Morales posted photos of herself on Facebook enjoying a trip to Florida with a girlfriend, they said.

    Other self-inflicted hate crimes

    Floyd Elliott of Independence, Mo., told police that two subjects attacked him in the parking lot of his apartment complex. He said the attackers cut him in the stomach, branded him with a hot knife and attempted to carve the word “fag” on his forehead. Investigators were suspicious about the report because the head carving was backward, as if done while looking into a mirror. Later, Elliott admitted to police that the injuries were self-inflicted. Can you say that Elliott “stepped in it?”

    Considering that all crime is motivated by hate, oftentimes you have to examine the allegations of the supposed “hate crime” to make the distinction as to whom is doing the hating.

    It seems today that more often than not those that are decrying hate are the ones that are actually perpetuating it. They intend, through deceptive measures, to create monsters out of those who don’t agree with their lifestyles or political agendas and revert back to their carnal nature for distorted guidance. This way, in the end, they can become the victim. Guilty as self-inflicted.
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    http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/here-we-go-again-self-inflicted-hate/
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    It seems doubtful to me that Morales had any "agenda" to advance against the American people" other than her own greed or misguided desire for a moment of fame.

    The above mentioned Elliot, when admitting to having inflicted his injuries upon himself, said he did it to increase police presence in his neighborhood. A misguided attempt to be sure, but doubtful that he did it other than for personal reasons rather than any specific political agenda. http://www.kmbc.com/Man-Admits-Hate...se/-/11664900/12252974/-/xh46swz/-/index.html

    This woman ...
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    falsely accused two black men of high jacking her car and kidnapping her and her daughter. She was also convicted of embezzlement and numerous other frauds.

    http://www.musedmagonline.com/2012/...wo-black-men-of-kidnapping-sentenced-8-years/

    I spent some time researching the 'Net to see if I could find incidents of "reverse bigotry" hate crimes. What I turned up does support the contention in the OP that most of the false incidents reported in the media are perpetrated by liberals against themselves in an attempt to cast aspersions on conservatives or other right wing types. Some of the self inflicted crimes were motivated by some political agenda or another, but as many - or more - were for personal gain or greed.

    One notable exception to the liberal blaming conservative script was an incident reported by a conservative student from Princeton University.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/18/nyregion/18hoax.html?_r=0
    Conservative propaganda, most especially that targeting the homosexual lifestyle is more organized. Numerous para-religious/political/media groups publish and promote materials written in attempt to eliminate or minimize the presence and anticipated influence of homosexuals in schools and other public and religious institutions. Some of what they publish is frequently found to be unfairly biased, slanted or outright false, designed to create a climate of fear and generate hate in their readers and supporters.

    I don't think it's the right/left political leaning that motivates these people to make the false accusations. I think rather the acts and accusations are misdeeds conceived in the minds of confused, unbalanced individuals motivated by greed, a bit of fame or perhaps a misguided need to right what they see as wrong.
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    Remember these crimes?

    Susan Smith had a new boyfriend and a husband and two little boys. Husband could be divorced but the boys were a problem.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/11/06/us/a-woman-s-false-accusation-pains-many-blacks.html

    Boston tax attorney Charles Stuart had a new girl friend and a pregnant wife. He was afraid of becoming a father and also feared his wife would not return to work and their income would be diminished. What to do?

    http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/10/23/stuart_case_still_felt/
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    Don't forget Ashley Todd
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    But seriously, why even respond to WND trash...
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    Excellent counter to the assertion in the OP. I had forgotten about this one. Good find JDR.
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    Hoaxes happen, and as you pointed out lacuna, often for different reasons. Even some against African Americans aren't necessarily driven by race (in the sense that hoaxter is racist), but by the awareness that people will more easily believe it since there is already a widespread (mis)beliefs about African American criminality that predisposes folks to more willingly accept the fake claim as true.

    In any case, I tried to read through the WND article in the op but my goodness, it's just garbage.
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    Here's another from the wife of right wing Ozark Minutemen founder, embarrassed because she accidentally shot herself.
    http://archive.columbiatribune.com/2007/dec/20071222News013.asp
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    The term hate crime is silly, an act is a crime or it is not. Regardless of the motivation it is what it is. Few blacks are ever prosecuted under hate crime laws-why-because only whites can hate according to Eric Holder. Geez.
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    I came across another report of a Gay man faking his attack. Contrary to the assertion from WND that this sort of thing is designed to further a socialist agenda, the Gay man who faked his attack is a Republican. He was a volunteer for a straight Wisconsin Republican who was running for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives against a Gay Democrat.
    http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/30/gay-republican-volunteer-invented-bias-attack/
    http://host.madison.com/news/local/...cle_93cfc308-2220-11e2-8351-001a4bcf887a.html

    People who make false allegations and fake attacks on themselves are unbalanced and will make them for all sorts of reasons unrelated to a 'socialist agenda.' The assertion from the WND linked in the original post is myopic and self serving.
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    So all these counter instances means there can't possibly be any agenda, organized or otherwise?

    Ok. Gotcha. Candyman above points out the real problem here. The double-standard is, in and of itself, reverse bigotry..
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    Hate crimes are only accused against white, straight males.
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    Exactly. In both sides, the folks making the bogus claims have agendas. Why can't people just accept that? Why else would they be making the bogus claims in the first place?
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    I do not deny the instances where conservatives have done the same thing. I condemn such instances where conservatives would engage in such hate. I was not aware of the scandal involving McCain's campaign. It is a problem on both sides. The Zimmerman case, however, illustrates that this reverse bigotry is propagated by the entire well oiled machine that is the liberal mainstream media. Even after the facts of what we knew and what we didn't know came out in that case, the liberal media and their sheep still remained complicit even after the reverse bigotry was revealed in light of the facts of the case.

    You won't find conservatives defending McCain's campaign like you will find liberals who are sorely disappointed that the Zimmerman lynch mob wasn't successful.

    If you want to see another example of this reverse bigotry just look at the difference between the treatment of Duke La Crosse and Jameis Winston.
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    Can this be a fair comparison? The cases are not at all similar. The lacrosse players from Duke were certainly foolish in hiring a stripper, but they were not guilty of the charges she made against them. The ambitious prosecuting attorney (Nifgong?) was responsible for these men being endlessly and unfairly dragged through the court and the press.

    The charges against Jameis Winston are another thing altogether. That he was stupid in having unprotected sex is a given. However, unlike the Duke case where no matching DNA was found, evidence of Winston's alleged assault was found in the woman's underpants. A bartender has said she was drinking heavily that night. It sounds to me more like a case of a foolish woman having regrets about what she did, looking to deny her own culpability and stick it to Winston much like he stuck it to her.
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    Right, so the Duke La Crosse players are white and are prosecuted aggressively without much evidence at all. And then you have Jameis Winston where DNA was found in the woman's underwear and charges haven't even been filed a year later. Winston is innocent until proven guilty while Duke LAX and Zimmerman are guilty until proven innocent. If the woman was drunk, then it is still rape because a drunk person cannot consent under the law. At least that is my understanding of the law. Correct me if I am wrong.
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    I don't know why charges are slow to be filed in the case against Winston. I would speculate it is more likely because the incident occurred in Tallahassee and he is an FSU quarterback than because he is a Black man. And it could be because the woman involved has dropped charges.

    As for the woman, in my mind she alone is ultimately responsible for finding herself in this mess. She went to a bar. According to the bartender she was drinking. She was very likely dressed provocatively in clothing designed to attract a man. She left the bar with him and went to his apartment.

    A woman who does not go to a bar and does not drink is unlikely to find herself in this kind of predicament.
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    I think you've kind of missed the point. This is about how the media treated the respective cases.

    There was very little evidence in the Duke lacrosse case but the media kept up the "white privilege" narrative even after the stripper's case had started to fall apart.

    Now, we have more credible accuser (with more credible evidence) who's target happens to be black. And while he hasn't exactly been given a pass by the media, he certainly hasn't been convicted well before the fact. Nor has the case been turned into any kind of social commentary.

    So, to sum up, white kids in a nothing sport get attacked well after case has fallen a part. Black star in a major sport gets a relatively fair shake before charges are filed. I'd say the comparison is more than fair.
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    Have I? I thought the thread was about faked assaults, false allegations and charges.
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    No, the topic is that fake hate crimes are bigotry in reverse. Since neither case had any hate crime element to it you and plank were both, strictly speaking, already off topic when I chimed in.

    So, speaking strictly to the topic... I think you're right. Many of these fake crimes are not committed with an agenda. However, there's no shortage of people with an agenda ready to step in and take advantage.
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    You are trying to make a joke about it but it is true. A hate crime can only be from a white male … well almost. A professor in college, not UF, explained in class that a black man who attacked a Jewish man could not be guilty of hate crime because Jewish people had more status economically and socially than blacks. If the Jewish man attacked the black man in the same way for the same reason he would be guilty of a hate crime. To be a hate crime it has to be performed by a person of higher status to a person of lower status. You have to mix Marxist doctrine in with the racial doctrine to understand their thinking.

    By the way, I immediately switch my political affiliation from democrat to republican after taking that class. I later dropped all affiliation.

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