Crazy Uncle of modern conservatism on the March on Washington

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    There is a not-so-small difference between individual actions and state actions. Well, actually, it really makes all the difference in the world. But, I guess you knew that anyhow and just wanted to amp up your complaints.
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    Those of you who did not grow up in the South in the 50's and 60's have no idea whatsoever how things were. I will not recount how things were fifty years ago.

    MLK saw the future. He was a man of peace and hope.

    Things have changed. Those who are stuck in the past cannot or do no want to see the changes that have taken place.

    MLK would not have remained in the past and would not focus on how things once were. He had a dream. Better to see the change that has taken place and look to the future than to remain entrenched in the 50s and 60s.
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    My point? Very simple (and your OP and subsequent posts offer prime evidence). YOU (and a lot of fellow (D)s) like being able to stifle debate - or engage in meaningless pissing contests (OP) - with the charge of racism which is why you throw out grenades like this and NEVER, EVER offer any actionable plan to get past it.

    And nowhere in my posts on this thread did I ever mention my personal opinion of the CRA. That was YOU, AGAIN in an attempt to try and brand me (someone who offered a critical opinion of your OP) as a racist. See how it works here folks?

    Nice try, though. Intellectually weak as it may be.
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    When the issue is the denial of my civil rights under the constitution?

    I don't care about the racist.
    I care about justice under the law....right now.

    If we had to wait on the ignorant to treat people equally then you would have apartheid.

    And which would be better....

    Protest leading to legal enforcement of the law or revolt & civil war?
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    Well I'm not sure where you're getting some of this.

    I never said anything about slavery being legal.

    No, I don't think government-sanctioned segregation is good. But if Bill, I think it's Bill on here who owns and runs a restaurant, decided he only wanted to serve Asians, or Christians, or whomever -- he should be able to.

    I think on someone's property they're allowed to do as they believe as long as it's within the law.
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    So individuals can deny rights but states can't?

    Should hospitals be able to deny service based on race also?
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    I'm asking a question based on the statement you made.

    The CRA is a legislative solution to racial discrimination.

    Was that "actionable" way offered up by liberals or not?
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    People were beginning to see the atrocities of slavery long before the Civil-War, and it would have continued as such. Just as many people saw the atrocities of racism before the Civil Rights act, and it would've only become more and more so. It would have been a long and painful process, as is just about anything that is truly good.

    Again I'll say -- I think the Law itself, in regards to how the law views and treats people, shouldn't be segregated. Justice for one man should be the same as for another. However forcing business owners to no longer segregate isn't the same thing as that.
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    Thanks for catching that orgator1.
    I used the same source and I incorrectly read the chart.
    Looks like 7 or 8 million.
    However the adults back then are not in large numbers the stage today.
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    Yeah, that's the point Tim...its NOT!!!!!

    Unless of course you don't believe in the constitution. :wink:
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    If privately owned and ran, yes.
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    Then what is it?

    :huh:
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    And they should get everything that comes with it:
    Public Scorn
    Protests
    No federal or state funding
    Negative media exposure
    Etc.
    Etc.
    Etc.
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    Yes, I believe in the Constitution. We all know the current law. That doesn't mean we can't believe in change, or believed it could have been better, or believe that it still could be better.

    So your whole point is that the current law is the Civil Rights Act, and I don't there is anyone here who is saying it isn't. What some people are arguing are whether it was necessary or whether it could have been done differently, and whether believing it could have been differently automatically makes you a racist.
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    I agree, they should.
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    Very true Row.

    Now it is time for all us to stop the blame game, the pity party, and the whizzing contest so that we all can play ball on a level playing field.
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    What statement? You are trying to use 50 years old statements to brand all conservatives as racists. It looked like a duck, quacked like a duck and smelled like a duck, so I called you out for what it was: Race baiting. I mean, what meaningful discussion could ever come from an OP like that?

    And based on all the complaints of racism I hear today, can you say that it worked? White people may think it did, but few if any of the speakers yesterday seem to agree with that premise. To hear them moan and groan about the prevalence of racism today, you'd think the CRA was a complete failure. Oh, but I guess that's all (R)s fault, huh?

    I'm also not sure that the liberal/conservative divide that exists today is really applicable to 1963. For the most part (R)s were on board. (D)s, it seems, were split (more R votes for than D). I'm sure there were small government types and big government types on both sides. Again, nice try to use a 50 year old editorial to brand your current political foes as racists, which is exactly what you were trying to do.

    So, now to you. Can you give me one thing that white people could/should do moving forward that get us past where we currently stand on this issue?
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    Since you want to debate this in some alternate universe of history....

    What was the better solution being offered by conservatives?
    Jim Crow?


    Your position smacks of "Just be patient and wait...And we'll decide when you have the same rights as us."

    What in your definition is racist?
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    Easy. Automatically having a preconceived negative opinion of someone based solely on their race (skin color, eye shape, etc.).

    I assume your definition is - conveniently - much broader.
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    996, why are you so locked into the past?

    You seem to ignore the progress that was made and the progress that will be made.

    Your litmus test of using the past to judge the present and the future is very flawed.

    Who was the man who said the following 'In the late XXXXXX announced that he was a born-again Christian and apologized to black civil rights leaders for his past actions as a segregationist. He said that while he had once sought power and glory, he realized he needed to seek love and forgiveness. In XXXX, XXXXX said of his stance of intergrated schools: "I was wrong. Those days are over, and they ought to be over."

    XXXX final term as governor (XXXX–XXXX) saw a record number of black appointments to state positions. In his XXXX term, XXXXX became the first governor to appoint two black members in the same cabinet, a number that has been equaled but never surpassed."

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