Crazy Uncle of modern conservatism on the March on Washington

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    William F Buckley started The National Review, from which pulpit he regularly lobbied against the civil rights act. Some papers also carried a regular column from this rear guard upper class twit.

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    The Father of modern conservatism - Barry Goldwater - was similarly on the wrong side of history as he ran for president against the civil rights bill, a deed which caused MLK to denounce him and his followers in harsh terms.

    http://www.thekingcenter.org/archive/document/mlk-republican-nomination-barry-goldwater
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    Nothing wrong with that and you think he is crazy?
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    The very last statement in that article tells you everything you need to know about where conservatives were on the whole idea of the march.

    "But mob-deployment in circumstances that call for thought and discussion and mediation is a dangerous resort"


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    Whites were rioting in the streets that day.
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    Shorter Buckley: Mass marches are Ok, but only when I (as priviledged elite) see the moral clarity of their cause. He was clearly myopic here, because history has proven him wrong. But that happens to humans.
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    Not crazy?
    :laugh:

    "There are those who sincerely believe progress is not fashioned out of that type of clay. there are actually true and wise friends of the negro race who believe that federal law, artificially deduced from the Commerce Clause of the Constitution or the 14th amendment whose marginal effect will be to instruct small merchants in the deep South on how they may conduct their business is no way at all promoting the kind of understanding which is the basis of the progressive and charitable relationship between the races."


    And now you know why people call Rand Paul an unoriginal racist.
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    A 1960 editorial in the National Review:

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    A 1957 editorial written by Buckley, "Why the South Must Prevail" (National Review, 8/24/57), cited the "cultural superiority of white over Negro" in explaining why whites were "entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where [they do] not predominate numerically." Appearing on NPR’s Fresh Air in 1989 (rebroadcast 2/28/08), he stood by the passage. "Well, I think that's absolutely correct," Buckley told host Terry Gross when she read it back to him.

    A 1960 National Review editorial supported South Africa’s white minority rule (4/23/60): "The whites are entitled, we believe, to preeminence in South Africa." In a 1961 National Review column about colonialism—which the magazine once called "that brilliantly conceived structure" (William F. Buckley, John Judis)--Buckley explained that "black Africans" left alone "tend to revert to savagery." The same year, in a speech to the group Young Americans for Freedom, Buckley called citizens of the Congo "semi-savages" (National Review, 9/9/61).
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    The only thing you can do about what happened in the past is learn from it and move on- 996 it is obvious you have not moved on- oh well
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    Here's the National Review now:


    At least they can (grudgingly) see they were wrong in '63.
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    So you think the civil rights act of 1964 was a mistake and MLK was wrong? At least that's being honest.
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    What is it about conservatives here who must rely on personal attacks?

    Should I one up you in the snarkiness contest?


    "I haven't moved on but you haven't learned anything."

    :wink:


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    Say what you want...

    Buckley ran the National Review until his passing in the 80's
    It isn't some old past history you're supporting as a conservative
    Its what modern day conservatism is built on


    http://www.alternet.org/story/78662/let's_pay_tribute_to_the_spectacular_wrongness_of_william_f._buckley

    Buckley is often credited with being the father of modern conservatism (pardon the oxymoron) in America. It is said that before he founded the National Review in 1955, there was essentially no such movement in the country. It is said (no less than by Reagan himself), that the line is drawn directly from Buckley to Goldwater to Reagan. (For some completely inexplicable reason, conservatives usually leave off Gingrich and Bush the Younger from that genealogy.)
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    In 1963 the populatiojn of the USA was about 190 million.
    In 1963 people who were age 21 and older are now 71 and older.
    As of 2010 there are about 2 million people in the USA who are 71 and older.

    The last statement means that most of the people who were adults back then (the workers, parents, movers, shakers) are no longer with us. The remaining ones (the 2 million) are now retired and are on the sidelines.

    We are a different nation today than we were in 1963.
    Yet some people from both sides keep trying to drag us back to that era.

    Both sides of this issue have a lot work ahead of them.
    1, To admit that their own sides made some mistakes in the past 50 years.
    2, To admit that the other side was right at times in the past 50 years.
    3, To admit progress was made in the past 50 years.
    4, To admit that there is still a lot of work ahead us for the years to come.
    5, To admit that the work is needed on both sides of the fence.
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    +1, though historical revisionism needs to be called out.
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    This number is off. This is from 20000 but if anything there are more older people no less. http://www.censusscope.org/us/chart_age.html
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    Bottom line...Buckley was wrong on some of his views especially concerning Race.

    Big Bottom line..."liberalism always, always, always leads to misery for those caught in it's clutches." GDE 2013. Gator Country. Too Hot
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    It wasn't just Buckley...

    As good ol Ronnie Raygun said...there's a straight line from Buckley through Goldwater to himself. This is the roots of the conservatism that exists today.

    So I reject completely the attempt to sweep this ugly rhetoric under the rug and say this was the conservative movement in the past.

    Property rights over civil rights....Rand Paul
    Military interventionists...Neo-Cons like Kristol
    Opposed to the Voting Rights Act...NC, TX, PA, FL


    Almost every belief in today's conservatism was originally thought of & published by Buckley & the National Review.


    Its very rare to see when a conservative admits he was wrong:

    When Time (4/5/04), asked if he’d taken any positions he’d come to regret, he answered: "Yes. I once believed we could evolve our way up from Jim Crow. I was wrong: Federal intervention was necessary." But Buckley never seriously renounced or retracted what amounts to a huge body of racist work. And National Review continued to publish racist material nearly to the present day. Indeed, Buckley and National Review were promoting racist writers like Philippe Rushton, Steve Sailer and Mark Snyderman into the current decade.


    What's sad is that most conservatives here have no idea the racist history those ideas come out of....

    Don't know your history....you're prone to repeat it.
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    An admission that federal intervention was needed?
    On a racial matter like civil rights???

    OMG
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    Amusing and sad watching some on the left try and compare the statements of one person (Buckley) to what their entire political party did when push came to shove in the 60's and 70's. I suppose if I was a Democrat I would also be ashamed of what my party did then and would spin, spin, and spin some more to try and get people to think it never happened. Unfortunately, current Democrat policies regarding handouts continues to keep the black man down. But the Democrats love to spin that too.
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    So anyone who identifies as conservative in any way is inherently in lock step with everything this dead guy Buckley stood for? Since some racist guy on an internet message board proclaimed him the father of modern conservatism?

    Dear Lord, please help these people.
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