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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gatorplank, Jun 22, 2013.
County Wants To Be 51st State
We could use two more Pub Senators in congress. :grin:
OK. I'm for it.
Sure, let's turn every county into a state. How could that not possibly work?
If all those counties were red, it would work out just fine... :grin:
River, I assume you have always stood opposed to DC statehood and Puerto Rican statehood, and that his categorical opposition here is by no means purely about partisanship?
Democrat operatives have been angling for statehood in both those places for time out of mind -- going so far as to trying to structure a shell game double vote in Puerto Rico to get a statehood vote passed without a majority actually wanting statehood -- because they think it is up to four new Dem senators, a handful of House members, and a like number of electors.
Let any conservative leaning areas suggest statehood -- not secession, but a unique state sovereignty -- the same operative class turns to talk of treason.
haven't actually given much thought to DC or Puerto Rican statehood. Certainly don't see any reason for DC to become a state. PR is a little more up in the air.
But why in the world would we consider statehood for a county in Colorado? How about all 67 counties in Florida becoming states?
More than a bit ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous to seek it? They have to be admitted, right, so let them come and make the Congress and the other states refuse them. Let their state legislature refusing them. But the idea of applying for statehood is not something that it makes much sense to ridicule. After all, it has happened 37 times before, and at least once by a partition of an existing state.
sure, they can ask for anything they want. that's not the point.
do you think we ought to seriously consider it for a second?
this will open a huge can of worms if allowed
of course it wouldn't be allowed. there's probably a couple hundred counties in the U.S. with more people than that place.
river- in this day and time we are allowing tons of stuff I never thought I would see
Why stop there? What about Alaska? Hawai'i? Surely river stands oppose to allowing these regions to become states as well.
DC lacks representation in congress. To me, this seems unacceptable. Puerto Rico also lacks representation, so if/when they ever come calling for statehood, I think it should be granted.
Weld county, on the other hand, does not lack representation. And I agree with Bill: this would open a huge can of worms.
so, Dave, are you in favor of granting statehood to every county that wants it? There's only about 3,000 of them.
If they are successful by going through the proper channels, yes.
If you don't like the proper channels, change them.
I think what river is asking is do you favor them being deemed successful? Not whether you would accept it if they were, but would you admit them as a state if you were in charge?
1. You might want to read up on the history of why D.C. is not a state.
2. Damn, I was hoping Fla could finally be separated from Miami/Dade
3. In regards to Puerto Rico--- I would like to see statehood status(for representative purposes) be given to a combined USVI, Purto Rico, Samoa,etc. Combine all commonwealths, etc into a legislative state with 2 senators and proportionate number of reps in the house. Would however fail to gain interest due to logistics as wellas the pride of each area that would be included.
Sounds like they have very good reasons to secede. I'm all for it.
I don't know, it is sort of a double edged sword here. Basically, we have a broad government -the state of Colorado- exercising power over a dissenting smaller district -Weld county. Seems like we don't want this type of overarching power, but on the other hand, it is somewhat arbitrary. Why not a city then revolting on the county government? And then a neighborhood revolting on a city? And then an individual revolting on neighborhood?
We don't want autocracy, but there are always going to be political battles as long as we have political boundaries, so I am not sure where we draw the line.