COTTO: The Tea Party should split from the GOP

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    I amended my earlier comment.

    If one considers the TP extremists--which I believe they are--then by definition the substantive difference is a matter of degree, not philosophy. IOW, the driving force that has prevented moderates from speaking out more/not pushing back more derives from concerns about political self-preservation, not because they have some tacit agreement about substantive issues, imho.
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    I am sure dems would love to see the Tea Party split because it would guarantee one party rule
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    I think we're mostly in agreement. Political self-preservation is part of it, but if moderates had no use for them at all (they are incredibly motivated & organized), there would be far more push back. Its a symbiotic relationship.
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    We are.
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    The Tea Party was never a part of the GOP. They just allowed the GOP to co-opt and whitewash the whole thing.

    Go back to the beginning - they were as emphatically anti-Republican as anti-Democrat. And they were focused. Now they're run by former GOPers who like the way the designation makes their re-election chances look and have saddled "The Tea Party" with all of their pet projects.

    Today's Tea Party bares little resemblance to that of 2010.
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    There are a few Pubs left that have some commonsense.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/strangelove-republicans/
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    I disagree obob- I think what weakened the Tea Party was what the regime did via the IRS
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    Bill, isn't the American Conservative one of your mainstay sources? I noticed that you have used it on more than occasion. You might be a RINO.

    It's funny how the TP has been able to successfully dispose of politicians with robust conservative credentials because they're not radical enough.
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    Could it be the opposite.....TPs are Republican in name only?
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    The real problem is that the republican leadership cannot keep a lid on the fringe element. Boehner is a terrible leader for the republicans. He cannot allow the fringe element to control the discussion. He has to allow them to contribute, but he cannot allow them to take control of the discussion. And that's basically what he did. Boehner doesn't have enough intelligence to stay a step ahead of the Tea Party zealots. Gingrich would not have tolerated anyone hijacking the republican agenda, and he would have found ways to turn a bad situation to his advantage.

    Boehner's big mistake was going for the home run (killing Obamacare) when he didn't have the votes to do it, and there was no way in hell the democrats (especially Obama) would go along with it. He should have slapped down the Tea Party members that insisted upon killing Obamacare, and then proposed as an alternative that the democrats take funding away from other social programs to make up the money needed for Obamacare. He had the fact that Obama promised cost savings for Obamacare on his side. He could even offer up small cuts to defense and other traditionally republican programs as evidence of his willingness to bargain. Instead he took a hard-line position that he couldn't maintain, and then he wilted in the end. Fighting "the good fight" is irrelevant in the end if you have nothing to show for it. Boehner is a loser. The People deserve better.

    As Dirty Harry once said, "A man's got to know his limitations."
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    Chem, I have to agree with you more or less. Looks pretty bleak for the Pubs with Cruz on the lose.

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    But for the Republicans is bad for the Democrats, long term. The GOP has willingly played the Washington Generals to the Democrats and the progressive left for a generation following the Bushes running away from Reagan's legacy. Once the failure has been dumped out and their infrastructure falls into the hands of an actual, ideologically motivated conservative movement that rivals the ideologically motivated left? That is nothing the progressive statists want to have to deal with. They prefer McConnell and Boehner who believe in nothing but their own political longevity.
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    Except all evidence points to the opposite.
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    Oh, there is evidence that persecution by the taxing authority strengthened the tea party?
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    why don't you ask some moderates instead of playing a guessing game combined with an attitude that TP is so great everybody should like it.

    In particular you might want to ask people who were Tea Party members in the early days but then got away from TP when TP started going ultracon in a multitude of issues as ultracons infiltrated the TP movement in the early days.

    The answer to your question is likely that moderates don't like extremists. And the TP became extremist as ultracons took the TP over.

    Don't like as in
    ---stance on platform issues
    ---methods and attitudes of TP

    it isn't moderates who drifted away from TP. TP drifted away from moderates
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    It would do that. And I'm sure Republicans would love to see the Democrats split into two for the same reason.
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    Sure, the power play by the Republicans that co-opted the party in the last few weeks? Ultimately that's the only real time that the Tea Party (in name only, or TEAPINOs) have really thrown their weight around.
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    Oh, it would probably give the Democrats a Congressional term in decisive power, maybe even two. And, to be sure, we know how utterly destructive to this country's values, institutions, history, and prospects the Democrats can be in as few as two years of united government... but after that, the Democrats and whatever TBD Tea Party would be in pretty much the same back and forth as they are currently in with the GOP, but it would be like the Dems dropping an annual rent-a-route with a directional school for home and homes with top 25 teams -- an opponent with some substance and an ideological base to rival the left's own. The GOP has stood for nothing too long.

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