COTTO: The Tea Party should split from the GOP

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    I posted this excellent article about the Tea Party in another thread but I think it merits a thread of its own. I strongly agree with the author.

    http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/conscience-realist/2013/oct/14/cotto-its-time-tea-party-split-gop/

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    Fat chance they're dumb enough to split and make it easier for the Dems to conquer. Divide and conquer... that is the Communist motto.

    We're not falling for that jackassery.
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    There is a growing concern that the TPer's fanaticism is ruining the Republican Party. Since the pub's favorability rating in Congress is at an all-time low--thanks to the TPers--it seems inevitable that the Party will start primarying these radicals. Cruz will probably be at the top of the list.
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    Is there really a big ideological split? Other than maybe immigration reform, seems like much of the beef is over tactics, not actual positions on things.
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    As long as they do what's right for our country like shrinking the size of government and reducing taxes then I'm okay with that... screw the polls that have nothing to do with each individual Tea Party Conservative's back yard voting district. That's national media made-up BS.
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    The reason they won't split is because they need the moderates. Don't let them fool you any.
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    I think with this last TP-led debacle the Pubs have had their fill with the TPers and want them gone. When a faction becomes so extreme that they ruin the Party it doesn't matter if they share some common interest. It's like wanting anarchists around. Tactics do matter.
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    The reality here is there is no Tea Party. There are a few people that are smart enough at math to realize that you can't either spend or tax your way to prosperity. For that these so called Tea Party folks are maligned by the people that give away the sovereignty of this great nation for personal gain. There is no honor in either the GOP or the Democratic party as it stands. The one thing big government types like the GOP and Democratic party have in common is that what they fear the most is personal responsibility. I encourage all of you to leave your party and never ever give money to these people. If you want to support a specific candidate then so be it but keep it to your district and let others determine who represents them in their district without influence from the almighty dollar.
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    The lack of ideological split is between Democrats and Republicans, which is why the Tea Party became a need in the first place. The world belongs to ideologues -- dirty little secret that drives human history. The GOP is a party that doesn't have one, they have been lulled into this asinine belief that all there is is political pragmatism, that we are post-ideological. Democrats don't live or govern that way, though. And now, for the first time in decades, there is ideological pushback.
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    Probably the best relatively recent comparison to the tea party would be the dixiecrats of the late 40s and early 50s. But the dixiecrats were conservative democrats who ultimately moved to the republican party. The tea party really has nowhere to go. There is no mainstream party to the right of the tea party.
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    They don't want them gone though. For the most part, everyone in the GOP at least pays tacit homage to the TP. The "moderates" may find them coarse and tactically stupid, but I don't see them doing anything to marginalize them, because in principle they dont really disagree on much of anything.
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    If the TP continues in their ways, what will happen is that they'll end up being primaried...even in the "safe" gerrymandered districts. People in these districts will start to realize how costly both monetarily to the country and power-wise to the Party that the TP's tactics have been. Furthermore, Pubs also want to win state and national elections--that's something they're having a difficult time with. Even the people that vote in the safe districts will have to open their eyes if the Pub Party is to stay competitive.
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    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/establishment-gopers-assail-tea-party-shutdown
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    They might *want* the Tea Party gone, but they walk exist off the Tea Party like any parasite. The GOP died in 2006. It is an undead vampire living off the blood of the "enough of this BS" tea party. Look, the GOP killed itself, it created its own irrelevance with its base by wasting 2000 through 2006 not only failing to shrink or reform government, but to make it bigger and more intrusive. That election was as much or more about federal laws about Terri Schiavo* and Medicare Part D as it was about wars. Just as liberals were rising up, the conservative base said "eff these guys", boom, 2006 and 2008. By 2009, the conservative base realizes that as awful as Republicans were, putting government growth and intrusiveness in the hands of the professionals on the left was catastrophe, and came roaring back in 2010. But the leadership/infrastructure of the GOP is not teachable, clearly, not even when they are given another chance.
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    I don't think that is entirely accurate, wb..or I just see it slightly differently :)

    I believe the threat of being primaried on the right by TP types has scared many a moderate into keeping mum. There can of course be some tacit approval given that the differences are sometimes only a matter of degree and/or difference of opinion regarding tactics (thus not philosophical), but I really do think the driving force is self-preservation. Many moderates are simply unwilling to fall on their sword to expose the lunacy (though that's certainly changed a smidgeon in recent weeks).
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    What is it really that the "moderates" disagree with the TP on? Maybe immigration. But what else is there? I'm sure they find their millenarian streak troubling and inconvenient, but only when it isnt convenient and useful.
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    My personal opinion is that the Democratic party doesn't have a single viable candidate that is palatable to Born again Christians which are still the majority though the democrats would have you believe Gays and Blacks are 50% of the population. However, they won't turn out the vote for a dirtbag like Mccain or a rich-boy like Romney. The Tea party scares the crap out of the political establishment because if they ever got the power the people would realize that freedom is actually good for them. What we have right now is not freedom.
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    wgb, you're off base. The establishment does not like the TP.
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    Yes, its true they don't like them (see the shutdown, primaries), except the situations when they do like them (election day, fund raising).

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