Conservatives: Pre-Existing Conditions?

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    i get that rationale, its not really insurance if its a known condition...so what's your solution to covering pre-existing conditions outside of the mandate model to spread the cost?

    also, the practice of rescinding customers?
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    Whats this with pre existing conditions? I am assuming by your political, social, and religious views that you believe in evolution. So by that measure don't you believe in survival of the fittest? Only the strong survive right? SO why worry about people with pre existing conditons?
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    You would still not have a RIGHT to demand that another human being sacrifice their time and talents to satisfy some desire you might have.

    My wife provides her service because she CHOOSES to do so, not because she is obligated to fulfill some concept that you have a RIGHT to her time and talents.

    You really do not grasp the depths of your greed and narcissism. And frankly, I doubt you ever will.

    Regardless of what government program you believe obligates someone to serve at your beckon call, you have no RIGHT upon another as you describe and expect. NONE.

    I ask of you. If every doctor retires and not a single doctor fills their spot, who will provide this RIGHT to you? What government agency will require someone sacrifice their time and talents to be your slave? Who among us will be required to become a doctor so YOU may have your RIGHT to healthcare satisfied?

    You are really clueless or so warped by Liberalism you cannot think beyond the end of your last sentence.
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    It's not greed and narcissism. It's fear. Fear of pain and suffering, fear for yourself, your children, your parents. Fear if your bank account is insufficient, you might as well just kill yourself.

    Are doctors working for free now, shackled and lacking in basic comforts? Like slaves? I had no idea. For the record, I'm against this sad state of affairs.
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    their inability to plan for emergencies and their inability to eat right and not put drugs and tobacco in their system is not my problem and I do not see it my responsibility to pay for it-if they have a pre existing condition and want insurance then they need to pay to have that pre existing condition covered
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    It's not that simple, bill.

    Yes or no--would you rather people die than provide any part of your income for assistance?
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    Oh FFS, if it isn't, what, for argument's sake, would be? I mean, it is like stumbling in on a cheating spouse, the couple is interlocked, their bodies moving, their parts inserted... but no, they aren't having sex yet.
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    You can bellyache all you want but the simple fact is is that if your wife worked for an institute that accepted single payer payments your wife would have to accept these patients or she'd be fired. That's not slavery. She's free to open up her own health care facility that doesn't take government payments.

    As far as your questions go, they're based on an absurd premise. Doctors will still be well compensated for, so there will still be a demand to work as an MD in the USA. Anyway, this is something that can be controlled through manipulation of compensation. Furthermore, I don't believe that there is a huge disparity in the availablity of doctors between us and the developed world. As a matter of fact many countries have shorter waiting periods on quite a few procedures compared to us and I don't forsee this changing.
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    it is my responsibility to take care of my family- it is not my responsibility to care for those who 1- didn't plan and 2-didn't take care of their bodies

    I give to various charities for the disadvantaged and for babies who need medical help-when a family in my church had an emergency medical situation involving their son, I quietly lent a hand through our Pastor-asking for anonymity as part of the deal

    part of my income already goes to the guvment for medicaid and mediscare
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    Put them on welfare and give them welfare health care
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    Depends on who it is
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    I know you are a generous person. Are you OK with medicaid and medicare? Is it just Obamacare where you draw the line?
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    I have no doubt that you're not an advocate of unemployment insurance, either.
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    Fair point.
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    Off the subject, but in my limited (10 yrs) experience dealing with unemployment insurance, those that deserved it didn't ask for it and those that didn't deserve it mooched off it for years at a time.
    And you do understand that Florida unemployment insurance is paid directly by every employer in Florida, right? It in no way comes out of your personal check. I'll say again, employees do not pay a dime into their unemployment insurance. It is a tax charged to every person who hires a worker in Florida, and the rate varies. I employ three people, but because I had to fire one that sucked, my rate is the highest allowable in Florida. Sucks, huh?
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    I don't think there are many that do ask for it. Sure there might be some exceptions but most people want to have a job.

    And I understand that paying unemployment insurance is the obligation of the employer. That's why I know that bill is against unemployment insurance. Sorry to hear about your high rate.
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    Your link doesn't work. This one which differs significantly from your statements does and includes links to the source documents.

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    A lot of civility on the board tonight. Nice.
    Anyway, chomp, to really make your head spin, let me explain to you the difference between single payer countries. If we went single payer here, I would run to Canada, and I have already been looking there for years. Why? Not because of their health care, it truly does suck. But doctors up there are well compensated, and the impression I get from my frequent trips up there is that their government is smaller and less intrusive than ours. I don't think there's any less efficient bureaucracy in the world than the US government, certainly since the USSR imploded. Why would I go to Canada if their system sucks? Well, to be honest, the people up there are not as polarized or divided up there. Here, as demonstrated by this board, people can not get along. Up there, people stay out of each other's business, they seem more libertarian, despite their government. How is Canada different from the UK? In the UK, the government owns the system and the moving parts. In Canada, it just runs the payment mechanism, as best as I can understand. Another important difference between Canada and the UK is the entitlement attitude. Canada is very much a do it yourself country with the exception of healthcare, probably because there are many communities where your nearest neighbor may be miles away. You probably grow up to be self-reliant there. Britain, on the other hand, has become an entitlement society. Thatcher would be pissed. Lots of layabouts in both countries ( I see as many homeless in Ottawa and Vancouver as I do in Orlando), but in Britain the welfare state has exploded. There is too much of a socialist, what can you do for my benefit attitude among the youth of Britain, to ever make it a permanent destination for a libertarian minded individual.
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    Which is why the Affordable Care Act, the Massachusetts Healthcare reform law, the 1993 Republican Healthcare Reform Bill and the 1989 Heritage Foundation paper which was the basis for the previously mentioned legislation mandated or proposed mandating the universal purchase of health insurance.
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    You explain to us why that should be a problem to anyone but the person irresponsible enough to acquire insurance BEFORE the condition becomes pre-existing?

    You are aware that many large pool coverage options will in fact take people with pre-existing conditions because the pool of applicants is sufficiently large to offset the known expense.

    But, I find it troubling that you believe it is my or my neighbors or my in-laws responsibility to pay for medical coverage for someone simply because they were not responsible enough to cover themselves.

    Why must I pay a higher premium for me and my family, and forgo some things we would like to do, so someone else can spend their disposable income on something other than their RIGHT to healthcare?

    I already have to pay for the groceries, schooling, rent, and clothing of many people through my income taxes BEFORE I can purchase those things for my own family. When is it damn enough for you parasites? That is a real question by the way? Is there no end to the greed you have for my income? When is it enough for you?

    Answer that damn question.

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