Conservatives Brace for the Possibility Obamacare Won't Totally Suck

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  1. gator996

    gator996 New Member

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    Conservatives have never offered a healthcare solution besides Obamacare
    (Thanks! Heritage Organization & Mitt Romney)


    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113994/obamacare-implementation-conservatives-brace-it-working


    Conservatives Brace for the Possibility Obamacare Won't Totally Suck


    Leaders of the Republican Party are still predicting that Obamacare will be a disaster, one that will wreak havoc on American health care. Most of their allies in the media say the same thing. But a small group of conservative intellectuals has been warning that the law might not be so apocalyptical—that, with full implementation about to begin, wholesale repeal may no longer be possible. That argument may be starting to sink in, if a new article in the Washington Examiner is indicative.

    The article, “Are Republicans Fooling Themselves About Obamacare?,” comes from conservative writer and pundit Byron York. Here’s what he writes:


    …a lot of thoughtful conservatives are looking beyond Oct. 1 to Jan. 1, the day the law (except for the parts the president has unilaterally postponed) is scheduled to go fully into effect. On that day the government will begin subsidizing health insurance for millions of Americans. (A family of four with income as high as $88,000 will be eligible for subsidies.) When people begin receiving that entitlement, the dynamics of the Obamacare debate will change.

    At that point, the Republican mantra of total repeal will become obsolete. The administration will mount a huge public relations campaign to highlight individuals who have received government assistance to help them afford, say, chemotherapy, or dialysis, or some other life-saving treatment. Will Republicans advocate cutting off the funds that help pay for such care?

    The answer is no. Facing that reality, the GOP is likely to change its approach, arguing that those people should be helped while the rest of Obamacare is somehow dismantled.

    York has this mostly right, I think. Once Americans can take advantage of the law’s benefits—once more low-income people become eligible for Medicaid, and once more low- and middle-income people start to get subsidies that will help them buy private insurance—taking those benefits away will be nearly impossible, particularly since Republicans still haven't proposed an alternative that would come close to providing the same level of security.
  2. gatordowneast

    gatordowneast Well-Known Member

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    996, again. Who is paying for the subsidies and the additional 16 M who instantly join the Medicaid rolls and who is paying for the higher premiums, higher deductables (out of pocket expenses). Who pays for yours now, just out of curiosity? Are you a student or are you employed?
  3. AustinGator1

    AustinGator1 Premium Member

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    Yeah kind of like bracing for a huge and unwanted anal reaming. Facts are there is not a large segment of the population that enjoys that either.
  4. PSGator66

    PSGator66 Well-Known Member

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    It is like bracing for category 5 hurricane - it won't suck! gator996 - you must work for the government left wing spin doctors.
  5. mocgator

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    I'm in the industry. I speak with industry leaders very frequently. Not the payors mind you... the people who provide the health care.

    It will be a complete disaster on the health care provision side. Rationing. Fewer services. Longer waits. HIGHER costs. And fewer choices. We on the provision side simply cannot and will not operate at a loss.

    And people will finally understand that Universal Coverage does not mean Universal Treatment.
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    PSGator66 Well-Known Member

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    It will benenfit 10% of the American citizens at the expense of 90% of the American citizens.
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    gatordowneast Well-Known Member

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    This is pretty accurate.
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    gatordowneast Well-Known Member

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    Essentially ACA is another redistribution program. We are not increasing the level and amount of care because we are not adding doctors or health care professionals at the pace needed. Yet we are increasing the costs and adding 30-40 M to the system. So the 30-40 M get "better access" to care at the expense of the 270 M.
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    Who pays for it now?
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    gatordowneast Well-Known Member

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    We do. So why spend billions on new regulations, cause businesses to pause for 3-4 years and waste all the time we have only to spend lots more money to cover the few that we already pay for anyway?

    My whole point is baby steps. On something this complex, one piece of legislation as far reaching as ACA can't help but be disastrous.
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    vangator1 Well-Known Member

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    The New Republic? Really? POS.
  12. MichiGator2002

    MichiGator2002 VIP Member

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    Conservatives have offered solutions that have gone ignored for decades, and not just the temporary insanity long since renounced by Heritage that Democrats only bring up in the hopes of sharing blame. Sell health insurance like car insurance, across state lines, highly customizable plans. So easy a caveman could do it, one might say. But it doesn't vest more power in the hands of the federal government, so it will always be a nonstarter with liberal progressives, for whom more central government power to fix people to correct progressive niche in life is their guiding star.
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    So, with a mandate? :grin: Besides, Heritage (and conservatives) only renounced it once it was taken up by a Democratic president. Indeed, the argument taken to the SCOTUS was invented out of thin air in 2010. Conservatives had two choices with the ACA, totally reject it (and their previous support) and fight it to the death or declare victory in the war of ideas. They chose the former, and lost badly.
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    Perhaps 996 is contemplating that particular element of the population that enjoys having foriegn objects introduced rectally, whom he has confused with/mis-identified as 'conservatives'.

    :dog:
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    This.
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    Yep. That and eliminate the tax break for company offered insurance.

    Start tying health insurance and health care to actual costs. If what you propose happens and the tax breaks are also eliminated, then I think we will see demand change and then the underlying cost structure change.
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    92gator Well-Known Member

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    I like how Barry is so confident in how well it will go, that he let mickey D's and Walmart (inter alia) voluntarily pass on the phantom *benefits* of Obamacare until after the midterm elections.

    Surely he wouldn't want the electorate, so giddy over how little obamacre is going to suck, to be influenced in favor of the dems, in that election--that just wouldn't be fair to the GOP--and of course, he's all about fair play--because that's the Chicago way--above board, fair dealing, the golden rule... ;)
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    This. People have been saying it for decades. "Where's the Right's plan?" Well for starters, the Right's plan doesn't really include government healthcare in any way, so the type of plan you're looking for isn't really going to exist.

    Common sense issue really, it could be sold like car insurance. Would a mandate be necessary? Let the states decide. If it ends up being so - it's still the lesser of two evils(which as far as I'm concerned, is almost everything with politics), I'll take a mandate of needing to have health insurance over a mandate of having to have government-run health insurance.
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    Because the way you pay for them now is the most expensive way...

    Emergency & critical care costs will be reduced when people have regular access to healthcare.


    Baby steps?

    Really?



    Premiums are skyrocketing and there's more healthcare cost in a manufactured automobile than steel material cost?


    It affects the cost of our products and makes less competitive in the global market.
  20. MichiGator2002

    MichiGator2002 VIP Member

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    What mandate? Car insurance isn't cheap because state laws require people to carry it, it is cheap because it can be sold anywhere for almost any price for almost any coverage.

    As for ObamaFail, Heritage had nothing to do with that idea other for 15 years before the left grabbed onto it. Leave it to liberal America to cling to an abandoned idea that was ditched because of its glaring flaws. But for the left the flaws were the features, since they just want it to exist long enough to collapse the private insurance market and clear the field for a full government takeover of citizens lives. Er, I mean healthcare. No, I mean lives.

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