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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Spurffelbow833, Aug 2, 2014.
Let them all go to CO and smoke out, then CO can deal with the problems.
It will. It's less damaging - both short term and long term - than alcohol. We'll adjust accordingly.
Not sure that there are any true long term studies that support this claim. I certainly don't think that daily weed decreases CAD risk like 1 glass of wine per day does.
Someone must really be unhappy with themselves to want to constantly alter their perception of what's happening. I once heard a fellow say, let's go have a drink and be somebody.
The reality is the "one glass of wine" claims are vastly overstated. But we're talking about abuse levels, not partaking levels. Both are basically neutral if you're smoking once or twice a week or drinking a glass of red wine a day.
I take it you don't drink coffee or tea, never had any tobacco products in your life, etc. A single drink or a single joint are pretty comparable in scope if not effect.
Not really what you said in your first post.
"It will. It's less damaging - both short term and long term - than alcohol. We'll adjust accordingly"
Too many people are pushing how "safe" weed is. If you are talking about occasion use fine, but daily use has plenty of negative issues. Have you ever seen a daily user when they try to quit for a drug test? Hardly benign. It's not even in the same vein as someone who drinks 1 beer or has one glass wine per day.
"In the study, habitual pot users who were asked to abstain for two weeks experienced irritability, sleep difficulties and other symptoms that affected their ability to work and their relationships with other people, said study researcher David Allsop, of the National Cannabis Prevention and Information Centre at the University of New South Wales."
"Long term marijuana use can have a negative effect on health and well being. Marijuana use promotes cancer, and it also increases the probability of experiencing certain psychiatric conditions such as anxiety, psychosis and depression. It is also linked to memory loss and cognitive deficits, as well as a sense of lethargy that can pervade all waking hours."
I thought it helped anxiety...
What? It's significantly less addictive than alcohol.
I'm not sure how you come to that opinion, but that is what it is an opinion. The only was to actually prove your statement correct is to do a study where two groups are give the two substances in question and then remove the sustances and look for signs of withdrawal. Can you provide a link to such a study?
I'm willing to bet we all have genetic dispositions that affect how easily we get "addicted" to various substances. Hence how alcoholism can run in familes.
Actually, it's very, very well-sourced.
(there's like a million links, not even going to bother)
I've probably drank more than any 2 people on this board put together. There is nothing wrong with occassionally having a drink, but pot is like drinking, sooner or later one will abuse it and the consequences can be devastating.
So one link says that
"A realistic concern for recreational users of marijuana is whether or not they will become addicted. There are no easy answers to this question. In my opinion, the most unbiased book on this and other related topics is The Science of Marijuana (2008). The Science of Marijuana is written by Leslie L. Iverson, a professor of pharmacology at the University of Cambridge in England. In the book, he reviews decades of international research on marijuana, both laboratory research and survey research. Based on his review of the scientific literature, between 10 to 30% of regular users will develop dependency."
A pretty broad range 10-30%
compared to 15% alcohol users who get addicted (actually right in the middle of the listed range).
And the other link says
"And marijuana is addictive, he said. Boyd cited research from the National Institute on Drug Abuse showing that about 9 percent of those who use marijuana become addicted. (Estimates from research suggest that 32 percent of tobacco users and 15 percent of alcohol users become addicted, according to the NIDA"
So essentially the two links don't even agree on how many pot smokers get addicted, perhaps that's because the term "addicted" is not easy to define. There also is a restriction to use via limited access and some social stigma. It will be interesting to see what happens as Colorado residents deal with the issues of this great compound.
Bottom line however you can have a drink without the purpose of getting drunk, you only smoke pot to get high.
What's the issue? That seems to vindicate the notion. There's tons else out there, too.
Not everyone who drinks or smokes pot wind up abusing it.
Seven months into the legal recreational marijuana experiment, believe it or not, it hasn't been that big of a deal. The tax revenues have been about as anticipated. Yes, a higher percentage of people killed in car wrecks tested positive for weed, but the total number of motor vehicle fatalities hasn't really changed. Yes, there are weed immigrants in Colorado, I've met some, but in all honesty, they're less annoying than the trustifarians we've dealt with forever. The cartels don't even bother hauling weed to this part of the country anymore.
Based on early returns, I expect at least half of the state to have legal recreational weed within the next decade and at least 40 states doing it within 20 years.
And all the costs associated with it can come from the taxes they get from its sale. I for one don't want to pay one dime in higher costs due to the legalization of it. Same goes for any addictive substance.
The costs of weed weren't being offset by anything prior to this year.
We are already paying.......law enforcement and incarceration.