Clintons and the culture of Corruption

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  1. rivergator
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    You really want to use Chris Matthews as evidence that Hillary is idolized? The guy who said the only reason she was a U.S. senator was because her husband screwed around on her?
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    River , so dissembling.That was years ago.Chris in now working for MSNBC and has lost any of his feigned objectivism since he had a conversion experience with the grand leg tingle.
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    Like I said, lack of qualifications. How seriously would you take Barbara Bush as a presidential candidate? How about Madeleine Albright? Harry Reid?

    Executive experience = 0

    Leadership experience = 0

    Integrity and ethics = 0

    Let's face it, being Senator and Sec. of State are nice things to add to a presidential candidate's resume, but they aren't anything to run for president on. Only if she introduced major legislation and took a stand on major issues of the day as senator could you say that she was qualified to run for president. Compared to Obama in 2008, she is probably slightly more qualified. Being governor of a substantial state (not Alaska or Rhode Island) is probably the best preparation for being president (although no guarantee of being a successful president, as GWB can attest). A senator does not have to work both sides of the aisle the way a governor does. And this has been one of Obama's biggest failures, in addition to his innate laziness in going to meetings and paying attention to the details of doing his job. Dismissing the opposition by saying that they can ride in the back of the bus is not being bipartisan.
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    Secretary of State is a good qualification for the presidency no matter what bs spin you try to put on it.

    Having a successful former president in the building as a resource would also be helpful.
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    If you could find him. Look under all desks or in the secretarial pool.
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    He has to come up for air eventually.
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    But a failure at Sect of State is not a good candidate. Hillary could be serial killer and she would still get Fred's vote.
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    And you would label any Democrat SOS a failure.
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    I wouldn't go that far but you are mostly right.
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    Kerry is doing his best to make Hillary look half way competent.
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    Past political sins, no matter how egregious, are quickly forgotten if a candidate has a good shot at winning as a Dem. See: Career pro-lifer and NRA darling Charlie Crist.
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    OK now that's funny.
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    That's called being a "big tent" party.
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    And this is even better than your earlier funny.
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    Dean Acheson and George Marshall were pretty good
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    When does Charlie make a public recanting of those long held views? The demo harpies and the upper west siders will certainly demand his subservience to their lock step positions
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    she was a failure? oh no. you're gonna mention benghazi, aren't you?

    >yawn<
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    you mean this same charlie crist who championed early voting, even when the state republican party was against it? the same charlie crist who wouldn't cave to rightwing pressure, and shorten early voting days? that charlie crist?

    also, in 1998 crist ran as a 'pro choice candidate' and opposes overturning roe v wade
    apologized in 2010 for his stance on gay marriage (he was still a republican)
    was in favor (while governor) of stricter air pollution standards
    was against offshore drilling, as a republican, and only changed that stance when oil prices peaked in 2008, saying that 'florida families were hurting'
    he supported regulation of the insurance industry.

    now, he's had other conservative stands on different subjects, but this is what makes him a moderate.
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    Please list her accomplishments as Sec of State. You can start with Benghazi.

    Pretty obvious O wanted to keep his enemy's close.
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    didn't i say this was coming?

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