Cline Shale - Bigger than the bakken

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by G8trGr8t, Jun 28, 2013.

  1. G8trGr8t
    Online

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2008
    Messages:
    15,232
    Likes Received:
    1,224
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    SW Florida
    Ratings Received:
    +2,898
    http://www.rigzone.com/news/oil_gas/a/127338/Future_Looks_Bright_for_Cline_Shale_Potential

    How long before California and Illinois convinces 0 that all the wealth being generated (mostly on private lands) for Texas and North Dakota should be shared with other states? ND has quite a nest egg being built up similiar to the Alaska Dividend fund that writes a check to each citizen every year.
    • Like Like x 2
  2. exiledgator
    Offline

    exiledgator Gruntled Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2010
    Messages:
    10,243
    Likes Received:
    1,113
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Maine
    Ratings Received:
    +3,908
    I wish they'd find it under my house. I need a new roof.
  3. Emmitto
    Offline

    Emmitto VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    6,149
    Likes Received:
    306
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +1,066
    They'd just....drink....your....MILKSHAKE!!
  4. The_Graygator
    Online

    The_Graygator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2007
    Messages:
    36,291
    Likes Received:
    866
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ratings Received:
    +3,074
    We're looking around for a good roofer right now.
    • Like Like x 1
  5. fubar1
    Offline

    fubar1 Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    5,560
    Likes Received:
    209
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Sherman Oaks, CA
    Ratings Received:
    +857
    It's gone, Eli! All gone! Because I drank it!
  6. candymanfromgc
    Offline

    candymanfromgc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    5,517
    Likes Received:
    140
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +503
    Barry would rather send billions to our enemies than produce energy over here.
  7. rpmGator
    Offline

    rpmGator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2007
    Messages:
    13,061
    Likes Received:
    227
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +967
    We are in an oil glut during O's tenure. Finding more all the time. He promised to put solar back on the Whitehouse and hasn't.

    He has been better for oil than he has for alternatives so far. A lot of the alternative was started by W. If I give W credit, he deserves it for sure.

    Why do we need the dirtiest oil possible with Keystone, if we can produce our own much cleaner fuels from our own nation.

    The house has voted on Keystone recently. Two things stood out. They didn't want them to be responsible for any damage they do even though there has already been pipeline spills.

    And they made damn sure, there would be no limits on exporting the refined fuel instead of giving America a break and reducing what a gallon costs here.
  8. dadx4
    Offline

    dadx4 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    30,165
    Likes Received:
    707
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Gainesville, Fl
    Ratings Received:
    +2,077
    They need the money but El Bozo won't let it happen under his watch.
    • Like Like x 1
  9. candymanfromgc
    Offline

    candymanfromgc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    5,517
    Likes Received:
    140
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +503
    It should be approved on the basis that a very high % of the oil must remain here. Good opportunity to increase our reserves and lower fuel cost helping out the average worker.
  10. leogator
    Offline

    leogator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    2,477
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Melbourne, FL
    Ratings Received:
    +192
    Good luck with that. The market for oil is a global one. Increasinginly so is the market for natural gas. I find that some people have not come into terms with that reality.
  11. rpmGator
    Offline

    rpmGator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2007
    Messages:
    13,061
    Likes Received:
    227
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +967
    Tell that to those who infer we will profit from allowing Canadian mud to be moved across our nation, and getting to keep the waste, while sending the refined fuel elsewhere.

    The inference is we will see more energy security and lower prices, and its one big lie.

    Taking our natural resources and allowing all of it to be placed on the open market is something we need to change so our transportation of good will see lower energy prices and lower costs to us.

    Delta bought their own oil refinery for the cost of a new plane, and did it due to being hostage to an industry that has colluded to increase prices when things got cheaper.
  12. Gatorrick22
    Offline

    Gatorrick22 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    34,963
    Likes Received:
    2,827
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ratings Received:
    +5,974
    They can't if it's not on federal land, but you never know with that dud in the WH.. God bless Texas... again.
  13. OB1
    Online

    OB1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2010
    Messages:
    621
    Likes Received:
    35
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Ratings Received:
    +38
    Not so much with natural gas, the facilities and transportation for export do not exist at this time. It will be several years before the facilities are ready to load ships that haven't been built yet. With the huge reserves that have been tapped lately, they will be built.

    As it stands now a decatherm of NG is as cheap as it has ever been in recent times.

    It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
  14. madgator
    Offline

    madgator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 28, 2007
    Messages:
    8,800
    Likes Received:
    251
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    South Florida
    Ratings Received:
    +895
    I think the correct question should be is when can this country split into two so that one area can utilize their resources whlie the other part can go ahead and dream about their solar powered laptops?


    this needs to happen!


    and then one of the countries can build a fence with armed guards to keep the leaches out
  15. rpmGator
    Offline

    rpmGator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2007
    Messages:
    13,061
    Likes Received:
    227
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +967
    It should be split in thirds. The Midwest is the wind corridor which can power itself with wind alone. North Dakota has oil, NG, and wind power. This area from Texas to ND has enough wind to power the entire nation. Texas has more installed wind power than any other state.

    The west has its deserts with low water resources. So it is perfect for solar including thermal solar that uses heat instead of light to make energy. A 300 by 300 mile solar plant in the Nevada desert can produce enough electric, to supply the whole nation.

    Thermal uses some but less water than actual burning, and uses heat exchangers to keep things going at night.

    Oregon has so much hydro, that it had to shut off wind power for a bit, as they had too much water moving after heavy rains and couldn't use all the energy they were making.

    The East has the Bakken and the Gulf and it should go big into NG, converting the North from oil heaters to NG heating.

    Using all the tools in our box, to fit the right job. Limiting innovation only puts us at a tech disadvantage.
  16. gatorev12
    Online

    gatorev12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2009
    Messages:
    11,868
    Likes Received:
    338
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +1,742
    What you've suggested is a logical and common sense approach to a cohesive energy policy.

    And, unfortunately, that means it'll probably never happen.

    The US has abundant natural resources in renewables and non-renewables. Tapping into all of them reduces down the cost of electricity, keeps more jobs and money here, AND helps control oil futures (the driving cost behind oil prices) by having a safe, reliable market source supplying the global market.

    If the US can use renewables to power the grid's needs and focus on using oil and lng for transportation purposes, we wouldn't have to worry about what OPEC is doing or what a-hole tinpot dictators took power in whichever country produces oil.

    We could drastically scale back our military presence around the globe and close most of our foreign bases, as the only real thing we'd need is a strong Navy to keep the sea lanes open.
  17. rpmGator
    Offline

    rpmGator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2007
    Messages:
    13,061
    Likes Received:
    227
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +967
    Hope we can change enough to help the nation instead of the few for a change anyhow.

    In the 70's this nation invented energy efficient homes that used very little energy and kept the heat and cold out with air tight structure and other smart ideas.

    We are just now seeing a few being built.
  18. leogator
    Offline

    leogator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2008
    Messages:
    2,477
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Melbourne, FL
    Ratings Received:
    +192
    There are already LNG import terminals. Those terminals can be retrofitted very quickly for export.
  19. G8trGr8t
    Online

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2008
    Messages:
    15,232
    Likes Received:
    1,224
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    SW Florida
    Ratings Received:
    +2,898
    No they cannot. Google Sabine Pass Cheniere Energy for costs and timelines for the first conversion which is under way. 24 - 36 months and billions of $$$.
  20. G8trGr8t
    Online

    G8trGr8t Premium Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2008
    Messages:
    15,232
    Likes Received:
    1,224
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    SW Florida
    Ratings Received:
    +2,898
    Until you can store energy you cannot have over 15% or so as renewables or it creates grid instability. Solar and wind cost more than gas or coal. Grid to get wind power to market doesn't exist. Bakken is in ND and the gulf is south. NE / E has marcellus and urtica shale and plenty of coal. ND doesn't have a lot of Nat gas. Oklahoma has oil and gas and Arkansas has lots of NG in the fayatteville shale and CA has hundreds of millions if not billions of barrels of oil in the Monterrey shale. Colorado / Wyoming has good amount of oil in the zNiobrara and Powder River formations.

    Even with all the new oil being produced here and in Canada we still have to import oil to satisfy transportation demand. If we want to limit our imports to Canada and Mexico we have to build keystone, invest in Mexican oil, and convert big rigs and fleet vehicles to Nat gas. If keystone doesn't get built Canada will build pipe to Kitimat and send oil to China. Once they have alternate market the price for Canadian crude will go up and so will our gas prices

Share This Page