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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by FoxGator, Sep 19, 2013.
Agree or disagree, you should read this!
Climate Change Reconsidered II: Physical Science
There is no correlation between high temperature of the past and CO2 levels.
All I want is further study to pin down all the natural cycles, all the forcings, all the feedback loops, etc, etc. Up until then I'm skeptical of the claims on both sides. I don't want talking points, I want accurate models with clear assumptions, error rates, starting points, etc.
Al Gore's head just exploded.
This, and knowing what the universe looked like before the big bang would be great. No one on Earth really knows either one with a high degree of accuracy. It's theory.
These are not talking points. These are the results of scientific analysis from empirical data (not models). Read the report!
I am fine with dissenting views which are based in science.
What I find ironic though, is that for all of the complaints about the "agenda" of Climate Scientists, this is the info on the NIPCC. They have more inherent bias than anyone on the other side of the argument.
First they criticize the global climate models (which I do myself), then turn around and use them to derive their own conclusions.
Please give example.
How about we debate the science in the paper instead of attacking the character of the organization. All scientists have bias.
Right now, it seems that most of the work on climate change is focused on CO2 forcing. Yes, some of the AGW models consider other kinds of forcing such as solar radiation and cosmic ray activity, but it sometimes seems that natural phenomenon get included as almost afterthoughts.
It seems silly for a scientist to blame natural occurrences to be the cause of discrepancies in the model forecasts. As if natural occurrences never occur. Duh!
Won't Go Away
U.N. panel delivers landmark climate change report
Kim Hjelmgaard and Doyle Rice, USA TODAY 5:10 a.m. EDT September 27, 2013
United Nations climate change study says man to blame for Earth's warming.
Global warming is "unequivocal" and it is "extremely likely" that humans are the primary contributors to this warming, according to a report released Friday morning in Stockholm by the U.N.-created Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the world's top climate research group.
"Human influence has been detected in warming of the atmosphere and the ocean, in changes in the global water cycle, in reductions in snow and ice, in global mean sea level rise, and in changes in some climate extremes," the report says.
The report says that it is now more certain than ever that "human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming" since the 1950s...
Well, you know what they say, if you don't have a leg to stand on, scream louder and pound the podium.