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Christian singer comes out

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    Good find Coco. Fair to note on her behalf, in the video part of the link around the 7 minute mark, she has not "acted" on her homosexuality. That in itself is a testimony.

    Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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    She's not the first christian musician and certainly won't be the last. Been a couple of higher profile ones throughout the years - Jennifer Knapp and Ray Boltz come to mind as openly homosexual christian musicians. Some have even thought Carmen is a homosexual as well.
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    seems kinda crappy to have to abstain from acting on what, at the least, feels like one's inherent sexuality, with another consenting adult, because your holy book says it's a sin

    if their is the God of the Bible...he either created a flaw, created an abnormality in which the sexual preference of an individual is a sin, or the book is just wrong...

    none of those sounds good to me..
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    And this is newsworthy how?
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    Exactly!

    What does this matter?

    I am heterosexual. Why do you need know my sexual preference? I don't want to see/or hear this in public, in schools, watching sporting events … Enough already.
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    Sexual desires are just that - just desires. It doesn't mean you can't be loved or give love, it simply means you're not taking part in the physical actions of sexual intercourse. The only things she is abstaining from are sexual desires - which all of us have practiced and if you're decent, try to live by that abstaining every day, especially if you're in a monogamous relationship. We all abstain from our sexual desires in some way.

    Too much of our society has invested their entire identities and realities around sexuality. There's so much more humans can offer outside of that, it's a shame so many use it to define their lives.
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    I suppose it's not newsworthy to those who don't give a crap about Christianity or its condemnation of homosexuality.
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    Christians do not hate the sinner. Every Christian is by definition a sinner, yet they are still Christian and are by definition welcome. Remember John 3:16.

    Try that in Islam or Communism/Socialism, the secular religion of the 20th Century, and see what happens to you. Heck, try being a "broad-minded Progressive" and try to voice a dissenting opinion and see where that gets you in their cozy little cult of personality...
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    First as someone who has held a position in the Christian Music industry at a certain level for many years in life, She is not a "Star" and I have personally met and worked with many of the top artists in the industry. Her biggest claim is having written a couple of songs of prominence for others several years back. Not to say she isn't a talent, and that this isn't an important issue to discuss.

    I am currently a brand advisor for the largest distributor of Christian digital content in the world. They have every major artist involved. She isnt on the playlist.

    As mentioned earlier, Ray Boltz and Jennifer Knapp were actually MUCH more successful performers who came out.

    This is not really news at all.

    As for the issue. I do believe that God is saddened by this lifestyle. I also believe He is saddened by those who cheat on their wives, have pre-marital sex, don't love their neighbor, are selfish with their money, don't help the poor, etc. My guess is that at least one of these applies to everyone here.

    True religion (James 1:27) is defined as "reaching out to the orphan and widow in their distress".
    I believe she is a Christian, who loves and follows Jesus. I just believe she is a victim of this fallen world like the rest of us.
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    • Adultery
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    Should I go on. Any of you, anyone on here not guilty of something? If you say no then your lying and thats on the list. Y'all have Christianity wrong. It's not about condemnation, it's about forgiveness.
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    First. She doesn't HAVE to abstain. Their is a large group of accepting Christians she could feel safe with.
    The flaw is not in the Bible. It is in us. We have ALL fallen away from God's plan.

    If God ever had a "flaw" it was in not being a dictator, and allowing us free will. Humanity is fallen. Jesus has redeemed it. We just need to accept it.
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    This is 100% correct.

    However the problem isnt THEM it's us (Christians)

    For years western Christianity has been so legalistic and condemning. It is just now that the true Christianity of Jesus day is finding its way into western culture to the full extent.
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    yet if she had sex with a man, even though it didn't arouse her, it would be ok
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    well I don't get it then...either it's a sin or not per the Bible?

    we would essentially be robots in some cruel game, if God was a dictator, and there was no free will...yet he is supposedly omnipotent, so it's a cruel game with just the illusion of free will..
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    Have you ever heard Tim Tebow bashing anyone? Do you think all those locker rooms squeaky clean? And what about the Mission Fields of the Philippines?

    And yet Tim (Who is not perfect) is almost always positive and supportive.

    Look at it this way, Do you know any Gator Fans who are not that respectable? Is it the Gator Nation or a "bad fan"?
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    No, absolutely not
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    "We have this tendency to think of sin as something that is outside of us...our sin is not outside of us it is a part of us." David Platt

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    It is a sin per the Bible, yet one among many. The penalty for all sin is death, and that penalty was paid by Jesus, and praise the Lord for that because no man can do it themself as sin is our very nature. We are born into it, and our actions just manifest that nature. Even the best things we do apart from the Spirit are corrupted by selfishness, vanity, pride, greed, etc.

    The beauty of grace is the greater the sinner, the more magnified God's grace becomes, and in my experience His grace is as limitless as He is.

    Ultimately any free will we have is secondary to the will of our creator. No matter whether we like it or not, it's hard to reach any other conclusion assuming an omnipotent and omniscient creator. However given the sacrifice that creator made of His son, it's hard to reach any other conclusion than He has a boundless love for the part of creation made in His image, and with that considered, I'd rather His will be superior to man's
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    How is free will an illusion?

    Yes he knew we would disappoint Him. I knew my kids will at times too. Did not stop me from having them, and doing everything I can to help them overcome it. Ultimately though, short of 'cuffing them to a bed post I can not MAKE my kids make the right choices. I can offer them the opportunity and solutions to make the right choices, and extend help when they do not.

    God does the same.
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