Chilling video--Obama/Martial law

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    Just one crazy Obama thread after another on here. It's concerning that so many people seem to have completely lost their minds.
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    Interesting thing about the internet and the explosion of newsy type sites, social networking and the massive and quick communicating of info. Someone says/writes something whether factual or not and a bunch of sites/people link to it and it winds up taking on a life of its own. Happens all too often, maybe even with every major story. Something about Twain, truth and boots on comes to mind.
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    I don't disagree with anything you're saying, I think there are some here who have no problem using resources like these as their primary go-to source for stuff like this and I think it's really unwise.

    I more or less have no problem with using the sites as one of the many resources we use to gather our news and information, but just don't like the idea of someone pointing to it as some de facto resource.
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    You sure do jump to a lot of conclusions.
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    Which conclusions specifically are you referring to?
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    Read what I wrote that you responded to and then look at your reply. First of all you make some absurd reference to naivete on my part then you start going on about people needing their side to be right.

    All of that from the simple reply I gave.
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    Well my first remark is actually asking you a question, so I don't know how I can form a conclusion in the frame of question.

    My other response said, "...some people..," which wasn't a veiled poke at you or anything, if I meant you specifically I would've just said, "...you.." instead of "..some people..."

    So sure, that is a conclusion, although I didn't jump to it - do you not agree that some people need or like certain affirmations to make themselves feel better?
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    I think what you wrote in the second quote is more accurate. Some people do have a self perceived need for validation and it makes them feel good when their opinions and positions are affirmed and validated. However, I don't think feeling good is the over arching objective but is rather an affirming byproduct. When a man who is hungry or thirsty has his hunger and thirst satisfied it does indeed feel good. But he doesn't drink and eat to feel good; he eats and drinks to satisfy the vital need for food and water.
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    That became clear in '08.
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    What we're seeing is police reacting to being out-gunned in a few rare cases. The militarization of the police can be traced to a bank robbery about a dozen years or so ago in L.A., when two robbers wearing body armor and brandishing automatic rifles robbed a bank and walked up and down the street killing anyone that moved. I think about five cops were shot, and maybe two killed. The only way they could stop these two was to get a head shot (which stopped one) or to shoot them in the legs so many times that they were incapacitated (which got the other). All police departments saw that and realized that they needed enough firepower to stop it. Instead of having one or two officers trained and prepared to use the heavy artillery, all policemen in a gunned-up precinct had to have heavy weapons. And when you have heavy weapons, sooner or later you'll find a cause to use them, whether it's really needed or not.
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    Like 9/11, the N. Hollywood shootout provided (often fallacious) justifications for PD's to ramp up their weaponry, vehicles, and tactics etc...But militarization preceded these events by decades (keep in mind, policing is largely paramilitary in structure already). If there is a modern turning point where the spike began, it came in the 1980s with the war on drugs and gang initiatives (i.e. "get tough on crime").
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    So on the "Obama is a Muslim" thread, chapter 1,132 that was so ridiculous that not only was it deleted but even Bill said it was stupid .... you claimed, paraphrased .... "They wouldn't make those accusations if they didn't have proof ..."
    Notice anything particularly absurd about that when juxtaposed with your dismissal of Factcheck?
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    No
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    Right. "I'll believe anything that says stuff I want to believe, but anything that disagrees with the 'facts' I have in my head is a joke."
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    Selling confirmation bias.... Pretty good business plan these days
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    Supply and demand :D
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    No, not at all, I just try to inhabit the "real world."
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    You do have to chuckle at some of the recent conservatives here about what constitutes facts and proof:
    1. There's lots of videos on youtube claiming it, so it must be true.
    2. The accusation may seem outrageous, but they wouldn't make it if they didn't have proof.
    3. The fact that conservatives are complaining about it shows that it's true.

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