CDC Gun Study: Not Quite What The Dr. Ordered

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    There's no need to be sore about it.
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    huh? not sore at all. You made a very specific claim and I thought you'd be willing to back up.
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    I think you missed the point, which was that gun ownership doesn't really affect gun violence exactly because of those other factors such as you mention. It has been pointed out (correctly) that the US is far more similar to Russia than EU nations, and the reason is precisely because of the vastly differing demographics in different parts of the country. We have some areas far more similar to Canada (Wyoming, Montana, Alaska) and some that are similar to Colombia (most inner cities).
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    He did miss the point. No surprise.
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    Our inner cities are nothing like Colombia.
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    Demographically there are a lot of similarities. Poverty, gang violence, relatively uneducated, etc. There is perhaps less instances of single parenthood in Colombia due to a higher emphasis on family inherent in Latin culture but I don't know the actual statistics on that data point so that is merely my guess.
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    Check out MJW's posts on page 1.
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    That doesn't seem to show any gun law data, though. I, too, am curious. I would wager we're an anomaly even among similar nations.
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    The poverty is nothing alike. At all. US poverty is not real poverty when compared to underdeveloped foreign countries.
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    Few nations are similar when it comes to the variations in both geography, cultural issues, and demographics. As was said, Russia is probably the closest.
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    Go to the links
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    I will agree on that. Good luck getting those of our citizens living in our inner cities and living below the poverty line to feel much comfort in that fact, though.
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    You are correct. The difference is that third world poor do not have the sense of entitlement that the "poor" have in this country. They go about their lives trying to survive. Our poor would be considered very well off in most third world countries. They can only dream of owning a car or having air conditioning or appliances that we take for granted. Our gun violence is mostly limited to inner city gang warfare. If the gun violence of the inner cities is subtracted from the surveys we are indeed a docile nation.
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    I think history is the bigger differentiation, here, and Russia's history/culture doesn't really align with ours very well.

    I did, I saw numbers on guns and numbers on crimes but not on gun laws. Can you show me what I missed?
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    I am not sure why you think gun laws are more relevant than gun ownership, when it comes to homicides? Gun laws are more removed from crime than gun ownership.
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    Agreed, but what nations do match up well with us in that regard? We are kind of a unique case study, IMO
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    Think of it this way. In Russia as in the US, the "dominant" culture is actually just the central column of a large and heterogenous tent. Western Europe is culturally heterogenous in the sense of a rock pillar that creates a slight overhang. This is, of course, changing, and violence is going up.

    I'll cue the worldwide gun law graphic when I have time, unless someone wants to handle it for me. But it was river that qualified the statement as "developed" not I, and I reject the premise that ancient monolithic cultures in Europe and Asia, many of which lack bona fide liberal traditions, are the most comparable cases for the US.
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    What? Isn't this thread primarily about laws that pertain to the right to own guns?
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    seems like if you made this claim:

    you'd actually be willing and able to name a bunch of them. sounds like you are neither.

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