CDC Gun Study: Not Quite What The Dr. Ordered

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    http://www.slate.com/articles/healt..._deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html

    The left is already circling the wagons and attempting to smear the scientists behind the study.

    Discuss.
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    I wouldn't mind their war on guns (as much) if they were actually going about it in a way that showed they 1. have a brain, 2. cared about the real problems.

    Statistics show first of all that violent crime is at a 20 year low. Also, gun crimes/deaths in general are steadily decreasing each year. With that in mind, why are we pushing for gun control NOW? The simple answer is because its a political issue (duh). Instead of actually fighting against real gun problems, they want the shock value of a Sandy Hook to disarm the public of the guns that can oppose the government the most.

    Now, lets say they were actually serious about getting the right guns off the street. Which one should we go after first? Hmm, that would probably be the one that kills more people annually, right? Wrong, these idiots are going after a gun that only boasts 5% of the annual deaths. That can't be right though, our government really wants more people safe, they really do want to take guns away from criminals, dont they?

    Bottom line, they don't want the hand guns out of felons/gang members hands, they want the guns taken away from law abiding citizens.
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    Excellent article. Not sure about the final conclusion though. This most certainly supports the notion that the current gun laws are both necessary AND sufficient.
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    Yes, never trust the gov't to do the right thing when it comes to guns.
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    Chicago: extremely tough gun laws, lots of gun crime (nearing 60 shootings and 9 dead for this holiday weekend alone). And the left blames the areas that have lax gun laws for the violence in Chicago. So, why is there less gun violence in those areas with less strict laws?
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    Not necessarily true. Consider the United States.
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    There are many nations with more strict gun laws and higher murder rates than the US. They just tend not to be brought up by gun control advocates.
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    which developed countries?
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    "Developed"
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    yes. countries somewhat similar to us. unless you'd prefer to compare us to the Ivory Coast or Tanzania
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    We are more comparable to Russia than any nation in Western Europe. Just quit pretending that you aren't cherry picking the data.
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    Gun control in Mexico really works.
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    This is a very misleading scale, but it does tell an interesting tale

    But countries with the most guns don’t necessarily have the most gun-related homicides. The world’s crime figures come from the UNODC annual crime survey, and while it does not include key nations, such as Russia, China and Afghanistan, it does include most other developed countries.

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...homicides-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-world/
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    From another article

    http://bearingdrift.com/2012/12/18/gun-ownership-and-homicide-rates-comparing-the-worldwide-data/
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    I agree with you. The US has an element amongst its population that is extremely violent and criminal. Has absolutely nothing to do with what laws exist. And tends to congregate around large urban areas.
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    Racist!

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    So your saying that people in these areas of high crime should not be allowed to arm themselves. Please answer this question. Or should they rely on the police-if you choose the later then you have lost any cred you may have had.
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    so give me some examples of those 'many' countries that you claim have stricter gun laws and higher murder rates.
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    Point=Missed.
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    "These conclusions don’t line up perfectly with either side’s agenda. That’s a good reason to take them seriously—and to fund additional data collection and research that have been blocked by Congress over politics. Yes, the facts will surprise you. That’s why you should embrace them."

    So all sides are full of it and the lobbies and industries that want to stifle data collection and maintain status quo since they are making money are getting what they want.

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