Can we trust Muschamp's talent evaluation

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    On the offensive side of the ball?

    Let me first say I am not bashing coach, just asking an honest question.

    If Tyler Murphy turns out to be better than Driskel can we trust coach Booms talent evaluation?

    I ask this because Boom also started Demps and Rainey over Gilly in 2011

    He also didn't involve Soloman Patton in the passing game much last year, by the looks of how he's playing this year he should have.

    Also I think it's ridiculous Kent Taylor never gets on the field not even in passing situations. Even if it's true he can't block, at least let the kid get some catches.

    These are just a few questions I have

    That being said I love Muschamp and think he's going to do great things for Florida
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    :plain:

    I love it when someone adds this postscript to a post questioning if he's capable.

    Again I say > :plain:

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    1. lol at people not getting what is happening. Yes we won 11 games with Jeff.

    2. They challenge Patton in the off season to get better at route running and he did so now he gets to play

    3. You are upset Kent Taylor who is a sophomore in a boot is not playing?

    4. Did you see Gillie block last year and alos did you see how much better the Oline was last year?

    People are ready at different times. Players just dont come to UF being ready to play right away coaches develop them I dont know why this is hard to understand
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    He has made some offensive personnel mistakes, but he is learning imo. He is a first time coach and young on top of that.
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    I do think that the patchwork OL we are dealing with lends itself more to Murphy's skill set than it did Driskel's. But I think it's much easier to say that now in retrospect, having watched the OL performance over 3 games.
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    Some coaching decisions in the past 7 yrs where the fans were right

    1. Urban trying to make Chris Leak run the zone read...at least he realized the mistake before the UGA game

    2. Trying to make Tebow a pocket passer until midway through 2008

    3. Trying to make John Brantley run the read option in 2010...this was really troubling considering the Leak precident

    4. Not playing Gilly over Rainey...he should've splitting w Demps

    Fans gripe this year ...not getting the young playmakers involved in offense (DRob, Fulwood, KT)
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    how do you know this?
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    i think it takes time to be able to evaluate offense talent as he has been a defense guy throughout his career. however i can't come close to blaming him, not highly recruited TM was a guy from the previous regime. plus some people just don't perform as well in practice. i guess we'll see. im hopeful that TM will take saturday and run with it. but i doubt a guy with as much great football experience as muschamp didn't start JD without a good cause.
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    i trust him with defensive talent but not offensive
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    Oh and misuse of Debose
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    explain this please
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    This happens all the time. Meyer played Moore over Demps. Spurrier played Palmer over Grossman and replaced Wuerffel with Dean on the basis of a good bowl game. You just can't expect coaches to get it right every time.

    In the case of Murphy, we've seen him play for three quarters. In the case of Patton, he went from a kid Weis wouldn't let on the field to a jet sweep player last year to a full time receiver this year. Muschamp even said in his presser today that they challenged Patton to improve his pass catching skills this spring and he really picked it up, especially in the summer. In the case of Gillislee, you would have to attribute the same poor evaluation to Meyer, Addazio, and Weis just the same.
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    If a player improves over time the coaches get blamed for not playing him sooner/poor evaluation.

    If a player doesn't improve over time the coaches get blamed for poor recruiting/development.
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    All fair points. Which is why I won't necessarily hold it again Champ if Murphy ends up winning the Heisman.
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    So true.
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    Exactly.

    From what Muschamp has been saying it looks like Kelvin Taylor is going to start getting more carries over the next few weeks. If he does well like most of us hope and expect a lot of people will say he should have been playing all along. When in truth they put him in the game when he was ready for it.
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    Gilly was hurt part of 2011, and we had Demps and Rainey, who together ran for 1500 yards.
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    And made NFL rosters
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    I agree with this as it relates to Kelvin Taylor. Not sure if you are also intended to apply this to Murphy as well, but if so, I think its apples and oranges with Murphy being a RJR.
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    Murphy is a different case since only one QB plays but the rational can also apply. I remember somebody asking about Meyer about Murphy and he said he was raw and not ready. Some kids dont develop until late in their careers look at Leon Orr. Getting those scout team reps last year could ahve also helped his development

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