"Bush-Cheney began illegal NSA spying before 9/11, says telcom CEO"

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  1. philnotfil
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    Whoa, wait, what?!?

    I thought that we only started this in reaction to 9/11. Don't let a good crisis go to waste or something I guess.

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    Just for clarity -- in the here and now, is this supposed to make people more or less upset about NSA spying that's happening right now.
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    It's today's "but, but, but Bush . . . ." moment.
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    There are some posters on here that are in need of serious mental help.
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    it gives more context to what's happening today

    as ive said before, this country's people need to determine what is acceptable from a security/privacy standpoint that is also constitutionally legal
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    do tell :ninja:
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    The idea that Cheney would lie or deceive is insane. Torture people, yes, shoot them in the face, sure, but let's not get carried away.
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    I heard "rumors" of NSA's email and cell phone collection programs back in the late 90's when I was at Fort Huachuca.
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    Illegal is illegal, no matter who does it. But, B & C did not surveil entire cell phone carriers like zero is doing... and basically every single American on Earth.

    Do you understand the difference?
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    I guess the fact that it began under W is supposed to make us feel better about prezBO 's intrusions in our private lives - based on the people prezBO has put in charge it makes me feel less secure
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    No, just to tell them that this NSA spying has been going on for a while, even before 9/11.
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    He had been sworn into office barely 8 months before 9/11. That is pretty fast action.
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    If true, that should tell you something about the ability of a large scale, comprehensive surveilance program's ability to stop a major terrorist attack.
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    so even though the specific PRISM program started in 2007 under Bush to do sweeps, they never used it to do sweeps?

    you got a link for that?
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    Like the Boston bombers?
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    Government invasion of privacy is of no concern to Americans.

    The only thing that matters is who started it and who escalated it. If I don't agree with the evidence, then it's fabricated.
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    2 guys and a bomb = not large scale. But point is the same, nothing could really stop that.
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    Look, I"m not happy about the idea at all, but I'm struggling to understand how it informs the situation we're dealing with now, whether or not we should be stopping such things now or dealing with the people conducting those policies now.

    It's like the Spaceballs VCR scene --
    "What happened to then?"
    "We passed it!"
    "When?"
    "Just now. We're at now now."
    "Go back to then!"
    "When?"
    "Now!"
    "Now?"
    "Now!"
    "I can't."
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    Further proof that people that want to pretend one party is much different than the other party are fooling themselves. But you kids keep arguing that your team is better. Rah Rah!
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    Are you serious?


    Man you are missing the point of all this spy crap. The entire purpose for any surveillance in the U.S. is to catch the bad guys, whether it's one guy or two "guys".

    Your post above should go into the files of the ridiculousness... with a major face-palm.

    We even had actionable intel on those two and Obama's flunkies still failed!

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