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  1. dangolegators

    dangolegators Well-Known Member

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    The only thing I'd hit her with is the back of my hand -- in a futile attempt to knock some decency into the poor thing.
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    hmm- a man who would strike a woman
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    Your vision isn't all that far off. The country that's taken the lead in fighting Islamic terrorism in Africa for most of the past 5-6 years has been France. They've sent thousands of troops to Chad, Mali, and the Central African Republic in that time and took the lead against Qaddafi in Libya.

    Lessons to be learned: the French deployments have generally been pretty small (battalion-sized forces of between 500-1500 troops) and they don't hang around too long. Mostly, they get in and establish battlefield superiority fairly quickly--then leave the local African troops to do the mop-up work, but then hang around as peacekeepers (in effect: a reserve force at-the-ready in order to keep the Islamic militants from renewing attacks the second the French leave). It's been extremely effective in all the countries the French have sent troops to--and relatively few casualties for the French or the local population.

    The French do have an advantage in that their work has mostly been in former colonies that they have longstanding ties to; but I see no reason why the British couldn't emulate their work in Nigeria and in their former African colonies.
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    azcat-

    (1) So what did HC accomplish as NY Senator? She was a carpetbagger who suddenly became a NYer. You may worship or adore her, but she is still the poster of "What does it matter now" as she bangs her hands ala Nikita Khrushchev.

    I dont dislike them because they are "on the other side", I dislike their World View. I dislike their policies, their decision or non-decision (I vote present) making, their continual attempts to bring about a fundamental change to America that is not for the better. History has proven in too many countries in the past that socialism fails, it hinders the Merit system, is rife with cronyism and creates barriers to individual success. It is the enemy of Liberty.

    (2) My judgement is not clouded. It is crystal clear in my view that Socialism will fail and that making the USA a socialist country will hurt our children, grand children and future generations. My crystal clear judgement is based on seeing "first hand" socialized medicine (it's free!) in Cuba. Have you?

    My judgement is clouded in Your Opinion, but your opinion is based on your disagreement with me, not based on my first hand experiences. So who is clouded ?

    Jews often in history have self destructed. Read Joshua. See those who did nothing due to normal bias in Germany in 1930s.

    Being "neutral" - as in sitting on a fence and not taking a side- in the conflict between Israel and the so-called Palestinians (which btw are what?) is to be against Israel.

    If your wife and a person down the street got into a conflict and your wife did nothing wrong, but to exist, I guess you would remain neutral !

    Israel has been our greatest ally in the Middle East. It has free elections. It allows worship of varied religions. It does not promote suicide bombers. It is very clean and organized. It has discovered natural resources.

    So why remain neutral?

    (3) Baloney. What we need is more politicians on both sides who have the DNA to take personal responsibility !! Your very low level of expectation of people, whether they be a whatever in x position or a politician is sad.

    You defend his lack of taking responsibility for his actions and decisions due to him/her being "politicians" is skewed. Do we let others off the hook for their responsibilities due to their occupation?

    (4) Voter fraud negligible? So is murder in my town, so I guess it is acceptable in your logic? Your logic is a mess. If voter fraud occurs but no attempts are made to verify numbers then no one can say for sure what the true out come was. How would you like it, you as one person, if the next time you went to the polls you were denied access because of your hair style. Oh, said the Intimidating Person, azcat is only one vote, big deal, negligible effect on outcome.

    I disagree with your man, obamao on many many issues. And YES, everything he does should be open for criticism. I am not a sheep who follows him down the path of destruction and failure.

    But shockingly, to you, I have agreed with him on some decisions he has made: OBL shoot to kill, no send our troops to Crimea, don't cheat on your wife even if she is awful, etc

    But then, azcat, I suspect you find the horrid treatment of vets by VA vs the preferred medical treatment of illegal aliens acceptable.
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    Interesting that you equate socialism with cronyism, because capitalism has plenty of cronyism as well. Because when you have a pure capitalistic system, it eventually becomes an oligarchy, and that small ruling class has all the power as they please. And the have-nots in this system? Too bad.

    I agree that a complete socialistic system has major problems, especially motivation. But going the complete other way isn't the answer either. There's a reason why groups like the IWW numbers swelled at the turn of the 20th century and things generally don't end well for the ruling class when their response to the masses is, "Let them eat cake." No, a more balance approach that rewards people for their success while the overall society has a safety net in case of hard times is best. When the masses are in the middle class, things are good. In a pure capitalistic society, too many in the lower classes. In pure socialist society, not enough incentive and nobody at the top to aspire to.

    As for Israel, it's not as simple situation. While the Palestinians themselves do not have much value, their supporters are sitting atop oil. And lots of it. You are correct that our support of Israel is important for all the reasons you purport. But again, we have to do a balance act, because we have a big appetite for ME oil. Do the wrong thing in the ME and we are paying $6/gallon and you would be blaming Obama for it! So unlike a dispute between my wife and a neighbor whom I assume I need nothing from, we have an interest in both sides of the Israeli/Palestinian dispute. Get us off our appetite for foreign oil, and it's a potential game changer. But that's another debate.

    And politicians lying and not accepting blame? Shocked, I tell you (sarcasm). Human history is ripe with politicians lying and not taking blame while getting involved in scandal. From Teapot Dome to Iran/Contra, our own history is not without plenty of examples. You may want to hold politicians to a higher standard, but if you do, don't be surprised when another politician dissapoints you again. Sure, there are some politicians who are true of heart, but the reality is, many are not. A dark view to take? Maybe. But plenty of history to support my view.

    Last, I'm no sheep either. But I don't hate opposing viewpoints. I attempt to understand them and see if they have any merit. And if I still disagree, I will then pick apart the opposing view point with facts and supported opinion on the other side. And unlike you, I don't think people with opposing viewpoints are evil, or said viewpoints are evil. But instead, it's people with different experiences and opinions who have come to different conclusions. Unfortunately, in our seemingly 100% partisan world today, you're either with us or against us, and the opposition is stupid and/or evil. I don't believe that, and even though I disagreed with a lot of what Bush II did, I believe he and his admin acted from a place where they thought they were acting in the country's best interest.

    I think the same of Obama and his admin, though they certainly aren't perfect. I can understand not getting involved in all the minutia with the VA, but the whistle blower in the Phoenix VA was huge news three weeks ago and all over Arizona. For Obama and staff waiting to reply is leading from behind. Someone from the VA, top level, should have made a statement immediately. Bad enough our vets aren't getting the treatment they need and the VA is lying about it. Even worse when the President doesn't act right away on the news.
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    So much verbage, but about the only thing needing to be said on this thread has already been mentioned : the right-wing hypocrites just needed to wait and see if they were gonna crank up their whiny fake-outrage hate-media machine to whine about whether...........Obama did too little, or whether he violated another nation's sovereignty.

    So much whining to do, so little time. :)

    Oh, did that foreign policy genius guy ever get ahold of his sweet time machine ? Ya know....so he can fix all these problems he whines about. :D
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    Perhaps the "attack" was on the preference to engage in a public relations posturing instead of taking actual actions.

    What might be really, really sad is giving the people in charge, and as mentioned in the opening quoted passage actually have the power to DO something, a pass because they try to give some public image they care instead of, oh I don't know, actually DOING the thing they preport to want happen.

    Or do we interpret your comment above as you really do not care if the victims are actually helped just so long as some of your political ilk demonstrate that they care? That intrepretation is open for debate based on your comments.

    Me, I had rather Mr. Michelle and Cameron actually use their power to achieve tangible results instead of spending time campaigning that "someone" bring the girls home.

    Geesh.
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    'Woman' is debatable.
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    I could say the same thing about the hildabeast or the floozy dem from South Florida- but I would not strike either of them or any woman-and think a man who would hit a woman is a coward - tells me a lot about your character danglo
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  10. dangolegators

    dangolegators Well-Known Member

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    Bill, you don't know a damn thing about my character.
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    if you would strike a woman especially since you don't like her politics then I think it tells a great deal about your character
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  12. dangolegators

    dangolegators Well-Known Member

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    Likewise, if you go around saying you 'wouldn't pee on Obama to put him out of fire' then I know all about yours. And all the other nasty crap you say here. If we're judging each other's character by what we say here, you lose big time.
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    I give a slight edge to Bill because beating women is never ok, while not peeing on someone is.
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  14. dangolegators

    dangolegators Well-Known Member

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    Point is, Bill's being a total hypocrite here. I made a joke and he wants to pretend I was serious. Ok, then if that's the case, Bill's a guy who would enjoy watching someone burn to death.
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    Yet you give us glimpses into it with every word you write.
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  16. dangolegators

    dangolegators Well-Known Member

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    That goes both ways.
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    Indeed it does. Feel free to correct any of us if you see any misogynist comments emanating from our keyboards.
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    dangolegators Well-Known Member

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    I'd be pretty busy if I had to correct all the misogynistic, homophobic, hateful, nasty comments that come from cons' keyboards around here.
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    And yet some of your views seem to be early similar to theirs.
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    dangolegators Well-Known Member

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    So at least you agree that their views are misogynistic, homophobic, and hateful.

    You should call them out for it once in a while, like you're trying to do with me.

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