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Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by swg8trgr8, Nov 20, 2013.
That's pretty catchy! I say acquit...I mean convict!
Do you always flip flop on where you stand on something? I mean, really, take a position and stand up for what you believe. If you feel sympathy for an accused rapist, hang in there and don't be dissuaded by public opinion.
I think if he did rape her, he threw away a really great future. But he's a big boy and capable of making his own decisions.
But it does mean FSU will or should suspend him now He'll be charged and NCAA will not allow him to play.
Ah....you missed me. I think most understand what I meant but it was worded wrong. I do feel bad when someone possibly blows a bright future but that in no way means I'm sympathetic towards him if he did it.
Lester Munson was just on Mike and Mike talking about this case. He stressed the importance of the physical examination (rape kit) that the victim went through in the ER following the incident. According to him, and I agree, what is important is whether or not this examination uncovered evidence of physical injury.
Did I actually read a poster say they "hope" that Winston did this? Are you serious? There's some woman out there who either had a consensual sexual encounter with Winston and later falsely accused him of rape - OR there is an innocent victim who was sexually assaulted by Winston. And you're hoping for the latter??? Go get help. I love sports, but I'll never understand how wrapped up in the sports world people can become.
I've worked with many victims of rape/sexual assault, sometimes immediately after and sometimes 30 years after the trauma, and let me tell you that this kind of event is devastating to the victim and her family. This can be compounded in this woman's case because of the prestige of her alleged perpetrator. If her version of the story is true, there will still be thousands of FSU fans who won't believe her - we all know some of them will send death threats. And THIS is what you're hoping for? This story is tragic, either way. But I'd rather live in a world with one more example of a woman who would falsely accuse a man of rape than live in a world with one more man who is capable of doing something like this.
Nicely said and completely agree.
Very tragic story no matter what the truth is.
Hope we don't see a bunch of tasteless signs in and around the stadium regarding this.
True. Hopefully Gator fans leave this alone. Nothing to joke about.
If they empanel a jury (if it gets that far), it comes from those registered to vote in Leon County, IIRC. I wonder how many f$u students register to vote in Leon rather than stay registered in the county they're from.
He's a thief. I already posted that!
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The DNA was tested...
Now someone's getting arrested...
We're actually lucky that there's no chance of Gameday coming here for the game. You know there would be at least a couple of idiots making us all look bad.
While I take no pleasure in the actual incident, I don't see any malice in highlighting what he did if he is in fact charged and later convicted.
It's essentially not much different than muttering "I hope he rots in jail."
So what is the next step? The DNA matches so is there anything else that should delay these proceedings?
FSU will try to drag this out past the Heisman. This is not an NCAA violation so if FSU wins NC and Winston Heisman, whatever happens can't undo it.
Will Tally PD continue to drag? Will the state attoneys office drag?
Could Winston be charged, arrested, be out on bond, and play while awaiting trial?
My understanding is that it is auto-suspension under FSU's own rules if he is charged.
This is a situation where you need to take off the hat of being a football fan.
This story is bigger than whether it helps or hurts your favorite team.
Why would he submit to a DNA test rather than own up to him being there and owning up to why his DNA would have turned up? Or was he required to submit to the DNA test?
SAO has indicated all along that their timetable to make a charging decision is likely tomorrow or the beginning of next week, so barring something extraordinary coming up that they have to look at before then, that would be my expectation.
FSU's official athletic department policies are that a player who is charged with a felony is automatically ineligible until the charges are dealt with and any conditions on reinstatement are met, unless the FSU administration officially finds that there are "exceptional circumstances" requiring a deviation from that policy.
They would get absolutely crucified for using their exceptional circumstances out to let a player with a pending rape charge compete, so if he gets charged he's almost certainly done for the season (and there's a good chance his FSU career would be over - looking at past history even in circumstances where players come out of a sexual misconduct charge with eligibility left, they almost always either get kicked off the team or transfer to get out of that situation - see Colt Brennan and Zach Mettenberger).
I bet Jeffbo sits him for the Idaho game . . . of course Idaho is 1-9, so this gives their backup a whole game experience PLUS it makes Jeffbo and the semi-noles look good.
What guys are you referring to?