BR: Florida Chalk Talk: Why Kurt Roper's New Offense Will Save Will Muschamp's Job

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    We better beat UT in a few weeks or Muschamp might not make it another year if we're knocked out the SEC East this early in the season.
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    So what happens when the guy who saved Muschamp's job gets hired as a HC next year and we have another new OC?
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    Muschamp is not going anywhere, let's pretend it's football season and we are all gators, just pretend
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    Gee, how many games do you think UF would have to win for Roper to get hired as a HC?

    Nine, Ten, more?

    Are you complaining about that?
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    Not at all. I just can't name a head coach who had his job saved because of an assistant. I hope Muschamp will be a great coach for years to come, but if he is, it won't be because of the OC he hires. Great head coaches have great teams regardless of who their coordinators. Head coaches make coordinators great, not the opposite.
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    Great head coaches hire great staffs.
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    Fake heart attacks and blatant lying aside Urban Meyer was a great head coach, however once we made it with him, his coordinators got picked off one by one and the decline was evident.

    What I'm saying is, yes you have to be a great coach, but the hires you make is the other half of the equation. We rolled the dice on Champ and yes he is learing OTJ on our dime like it or not. Hopefully he can learn very quickly from here on out and make the right hires.
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    Obviously wasn't the case with Meyer. He had great teams with Mullen and Strong as coordinators. He was totally incompetent without them.

    Oh wait, I guess that means Meyer wasn't a great coach. I can live with that.
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    This question was asked about Pease.....did you see where that went?
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    This is absolute BS. Great coaches, especially defensive minded ones need a great OC.
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    I think coaches make the team, but the coordinators have to be the right fit for the coach's scheme. Now that Pease is back under Petersen, I bet his offensive numbers go up. Granted, a lot of that is the system, but coordinators need to be in the right system for them to succeed. Some assistants just can't coach some offensive and defensive systems.
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    If Muschamp were really a great coach, he probably wouldn't even need coordinators. I think we ought to run that by Jeremy so he can realize some cost savings.
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    Not that I am supporting Muschamp but if he has learned he needs to get someone in and let them run their offense then I commend him for learning and growing as a coach. Check this record out for a basketball coach for his first 5 years:

    Year 1 8 wins 9 losses
    Year 2 15 wins 10 loses
    Year 3 12 wins 12 loses
    Year 4 15 wins 9 loses
    Year 5 16 wins 11 loses

    This coach learned and got the players to make it work. Anyone want to guess who this coach is? Let's just say it worked out for him. At most schools he would have been fired (and his effigy was hung on campus no less).

    BTW... It was a fellow named Dean Smith
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    Huh?
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    SOS was hesitant to hire or retain big name assistants. The longer he went in his career, the more prone he was to hire assistants he knew he could keep or push around. I say "assistants" because he never did surrender the OC position to anyone else. Most of the offensive position coaches he had were purely yes-men who would do whatever he told them to do. He is the ultimate micro-manager on offense. On defense, he hires decent guys, but even then, the best DCs he ever hired were early in his career. I believe it's held him back.
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    Roper could absolutely save Muschamp's job, or as Muschamp would have us believe, "the Gator's offensive talent" could save his job. If offensive output increases significantly and it's evident that Roper's system is affecting outcomes, there will be no doubt.

    I think we're good with Roper for two years. My hope is that we don't replace him but are able to promote within. Leak is a little young, but he will become an OC in very little time. He may have been the most cerebral QB UF has ever had. I'd like to see things kept in the family. Gator players who go in to coaching stay around longer. No idea what kept Strong around for most of 30 years. Probably because we gave him first shot as a GA.
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    IMO, Chuck and Mickey weren't on the same page and one had to go. Sort of like our OC and OL coaches last year.

    On the other hand, losing good assistants can be hazardous to the HBC's health. Dan Mullen took Hevesy (OL) to Mississippi St. Billy G. left for LSU and then Charley gutted the balance of Urban's best assistants on his way to Louisville. Seems like the loss of these good coaches took a toll on the head Gator.

    Looking forward to having a talented teaching staff on the same page with the team all in and behind them. I'd imagine they're all ready to hit someone other than another Gator.
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