Boone voters must share lone polling place

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    There are plenty of people not just like me but far better....
    I've done my fair share of mentoring as time permits.


    On to your other point...

    When should anyone not use their legal rights under the law?
    Blacks should stop "using" the government?

    Should white people stop using the government also? :laugh:


    What's it like being on the wrong side of history?

    When historians look back on this period of US history they'll find that:

    When the majority white GOP started to be out-voted by minorities the reaction was to deny them the right to vote

    What were watching here is when the rules of the game no longer favor the white majority in this country and their response has been an attempt to change the rules...
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    Someone in the GOP needs to be fired over this. They were trying to suppress the black vote and the best idea they could come up with was moving the polling location of a mostly white college by 3/4 of a mile. That's just incompetent.
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    Oh, they've tried a lot more than what you suggest...

    And they will have to defend it in a court of law and given the recent history of discrimination in elections.

    And that's a major difference here....


    The ACLU will bring actual cases of discriminatory practices...

    The GOP so far has not been able to show fraud occurring in PA, NC, FL, or TX

    Anyone remember the Rick Scott Voter purge?
    Found close to nothing...

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    i think the point is that while this seems be a case of Republicans trying to make it harder for college kids to vote, it has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of attack on black voters

    App State is about 3 percent black
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    This is an anecdote of what's occurring around the state of North Carolina...

    This story about Boone isn't about the targeting of black colleges but what's happening at Elizabeth City College is most certainly about black college students.

    What do both stories have in common?


    Recently empowered GOP run election boards who are challenging every aspect of blacks, college students, & liberals from voting.
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    996- when I said using the guvment I meant using it as a crutch- the liberal leaders in the black community imnsho do not lead and they again imnsho push blacks to lean on the guvment-
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    So, blacks, college students and liberals are incapable of obtaining valid identification over the next two years (in NC) to vote in the fall 2016 elections. And they are also incapable of voting at polling places in counties where all other citizens vote.

    What a pitiful picture you're painting of these people. For the love of God, 996 - they can even get a ride to the polling place! Get a grip.

    Your posts are a classic example of who's doing the 'suppressing'.
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    I know what you mean...

    Why is it a "crutch" when black people use the system to achieve its objectives but its not a problem when whites do it in your mind?

    Is the fight against Obamacare the attempt to use a "crutch" also?
    How about the abortion fight?

    Was the GI bill a crutch?
    Were Jim Crow laws a crutch?

    White America has a looooong history of using the government to their advantage over other groups....


    Now maybe you'll understand why most educated minorities laugh in your face now that you want all of that to end...

    ....when the voting majority is working on things that address minority concerns.


    How concerned were you when black America was complaining about drugs, guns, economics under Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I, or Bush II???


    Well, blacks elected their own POTUS and his administration is representing their concerns.


    Funny to watch the white response to this....


    Sucks being the voting minority for the last 5 years, huh?


    Try it for about 400 years and see how it affects you.
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    For about the 100th time, no one's incapable of going to another poll. But given that the supervisor of elections says it not only doesn't help, that it might actually make her job harder ... why do it?

    If black Democrats ran a county commission and decided that they'd close every voting precinct in white parts of town and make everyone go to polls in black parts of town, it's not like the whites would be incapable of going. But that doesn't make it right.
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    My bad. I see that you added the Elizabeth State story early on. Didn't see it. Apologies.
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    The premise of the thread is the unfolding horror of voter suppression, with references to North Carolina's recently passed law sprinkled in. I'm glad you can acknowledge this really has nothing to do with voter suppression, and perhaps is more of a management issue for the Boone Supervisor of Elections. If managing fewer polling places in the county makes her job harder, maybe maybe she's a very poor manager. It's funny how you're selectively critical in your analysis.
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    Can't make this stuff up folks.
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    can't do anything about the vote and never even worry about being a minority in voting-and the fact is in both 2004 and 2008 I voted 3rd party. Bednarik in 04 and Barr in 2008 so in essence I was part of the reason for the drop in pub votes

    my response would be I do not need some else to do it for me- I can stand on my own 2 feet and I do not happen to think the liberal wing of the black community wants that to happen for blacks
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    So, in your mind states who have historically discriminated against minority voting in a multitude of ways are OK?

    What a pitiful picture you have of the truth...



    Here's a list cases only going back as far as 1988 from the DOJ


    •United States v. Town of Lake Park, FL, (S.D. Fla. 2009)

    •United States v. Euclid City School District Board of Education, OH, (N.D. Ohio 2008)

    •United States v. Salem County and the Borough of Penns Grove, NJ, (D.N.J. 2008)

    •United States v. The School Board of Osceola County, FL, (M.D. Fla. 2008)

    •United States v. Georgetown County School District, et al. SC, (D.S.C. 2008)

    •United States v. City of Philadelphia, PA, (E.D. Pa. 2007)

    •United States v. Village of Port Chester, NY, (S.D.N.Y. 2006)

    •United States v. City of Euclid, et al. OH, (N.D. Ohio 2006)

    •United States v. Long County, GA, (S.D. Ga. 2006)

    •United States v. City of Boston, MA, (D. Mass. 2005)

    •United States v. Osceola County, FL, (M.D. Fla 2005)

    •United States v. Ike Brown and Noxubee County, MS, (S.D. Miss 2005)

    •United States v. Berks County, PA, (E.D. Pa. 2003)

    •United States v. Osceola County, FL, (M.D. Fl. 2002)

    •United States v. Alamosa County, CO, (D. Colo. 2001)

    •United States v. Crockett County, TN, (W.D. Tenn. 2001)

    •United States v. Charleston County, SC, (D.S.C. 2001)

    •United States v. City of Hamtramck, MI, (E.D. Mich. 2000)

    •United States v. Upper San Gabriel Valley Municipal Water District, CA, (C.D. Cal. 2000)

    •United States v. Morgan City, LA, (W.D. La. 2000)

    •Grieg v. City of St. Martinville, LA, (W.D. La. 2000)

    •United States v. City of Santa Paula, CA, (C.D. Cal. 2000)

    •United States v. State of South Dakota, (D.S.C. 2000)

    •United States v. Roosevelt County, MT, (D. Mont. 2000)

    •United States v. Town of Cicero, IL, (N.D. Ill. 2000)

    •United States v. Benson County, ND, (D.N.D. 2000)

    •United States v. City of Passaic, NJ, (D.N.J. 1999)

    •United States v. Blaine County, MT, (D. Mont. 1999)

    •United States v. Marion County, GA, (M.D. Ga. 1999)

    •United States v. Passaic City and Passaic Count, NJ (D.N.J. 1999)

    •United States v. Day County and Enemy Swim Sanitary District, SD, (D.S.D. 1999)

    •United States v. City of Lawrence, MA, (D. Mass. 1998)

    •United States v. Cibola County, NM (D. N.M. 1993)

    •United States v. Sandoval County, NM (D. N.M. 1988)


    Cases Raising Claims Under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act *
    •United States v. City of Calera, AL (S.D. Ala. 2008)

    •United States v. Waller County, TX (S.D. Tex. 2008)

    •United States v. North Harris Montgomery Community College District, TX (S.D. Tex. 2006)



    Cases Raising Claims Under Section11(b) of the Voting Rights Act *
    •United States v. New Black Panther Party, PA, (E.D. Pa. 2009)

    •United States v. Ike Brown and Noxubee County, MS, (S.D. Miss 2005)


    Cases Raising Claims Under the Language Minority Provisions of the Voting Rights Act *


    •United States v. Orange County, NY, (S.D.N.Y. 2012)

    •United States v. Colfax County, NE, (D. Neb. 2012)

    •United States v. Lorain County, OH, (N.D. Ohio 2011)

    •United States v. Alameda County, CA, (N.D. Cal. 2011)

    •United States and Cuyahoga County, Ohio, (N.D. Ohio 2010)

    •United States v. Riverside County, CA (C.D. Cal. 2010)

    •United States v. Fort Bend County, TX (S.D. Tex. 2009)

    •United States v. Littlefield ISD, TX, (N.D. Tex. 2007)

    •United States v. Salem County and the Borough of Penns Grove, NJ, (D.N.J. 2008)

    •United States v. Kane County, IL, (N.D. Ill. 2007)

    •United States v. Post ISD, TX, (N.D. Tex. 2007)

    •United States v. Seagraves ISD, TX, (N.D. Tex. 2007)

    •United States v. Smyer ISD, TX, (N.D. Tex. 2007)

    •United States v. City of Earth, TX, (N.D. Tex. 2007)

    •United States v. Galveston County, TX, (S.D. Tex. 2007)

    •United States v. City of Walnut, CA, (C.D. Cal. 2007)

    •United States v. City of Philadelphia, PA, (E.D. Pa. 2006)

    •United States v. City of Springfield, MA, (D. Mass. 2006)

    •United States v. Brazos County, TX, (S.D. Tex. 2006)

    •United States v. Cochise County, AZ, (D. Ariz. 2006)

    •United States v. Hale County, TX, (N.D. Tex. 2006)

    •United States v. Ector County, TX, (W.D. Tex. 2005)

    •United States v. City of Boston, MA, (D. Mass. 2005)

    •United States v. City of Azusa, CA (C.D. Cal. 2005)

    •United States v. City of Paramount, CA (C.D. Cal. 2005)

    •United States v. City of Rosemead, CA (C.D. Cal. 2005)

    •United States v. Westchester County, NY (S.D.N.Y.)

    •United States v. Ventura County, CA (C.D. Cal. 2004)

    •United States v. Yakima County, WA (E.D. Wash. 2004)

    •United States v. Suffolk County, NY (E.D.N.Y. 2004)

    •United States v. San Diego County, CA (S.D. Cal. 2004)

    •United States v. San Benito County, CA (N.D. Cal. 2004)

    •United States v. Brentwood Union Free School District, NY (E.D.N.Y. 2003)

    •United States v. Berks County, PA (E.D. Pa. 2003)

    •United States v. Orange County, FL (M.D. Fla. 2002)

    •United States v. City of Lawrence, MA (D. Mass. 1998)

    •United States v. Passaic City and Passaic County, NJ (D. N.J. 1999)

    •United States v. Bernalillo County, NM (D. N.M. 1998)

    •United States v. Alameda County, CA (N.D. Cal. 1995)

    •United States v. Socorro County, NM (D. N.M. 1993)

    •United States v. Cibola County, NM (D. N.M. 1993)

    •United States v. Metropolitan Dade County, FL (S.D. Fla. 1993)

    •United States v. State of Arizona (D. Ariz. 1988)

    •United States v. State of New Mexico and Sandoval County, NM (D. N.M. 1988)

    •United States v. McKinley County, NM (D. N.M. 1986)

    •United States v. San Juan County, UT (D. Utah 1983)

    •United States v. San Juan County, NM (D. N.M. 1979)

    •United States v. City and County of San Francisco, CA (N.D. Cal. 1978)


    Settlements Under the Language Minority Provisions of the Voting Rights Act *
    •United States and Shannon County, South Dakota, April 23, 2010

    •United States and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts (on behalf of the City of Worcester, MA), September 22, 2008


    Cases Raising Claims Under Section 208 of the Voting Rights Act *
    •United States v. Fort Bend County, TX (S.D. Tex. 2009)

    •United States v. Salem County and the Borough of Penns Grove, NJ, (D.N.J. 2008)

    •United States v. Kane County, IL, (N.D. Ill. 2007)

    •United States v. City of Philadelphia, PA, (E.D. Pa. 2006)

    •United States v. City of Springfield, MA, (D. Mass. 2006)

    •United States v. Brazos County, TX, (S.D. Tex. 2006)

    •United States v. Hale County, TX (N.D. Tex. 2006)

    •United States v. Berks County, PA (E.D. Pa. 2003)

    •United States v. Orange County, FL (S.D. Fla. 2002)

    •United States v. Miami-Dade County, FL (S.D. Fla. 2002)

    •United States v. Osceola County, FL (M.D. Fla. 2002)

    •United States v. Passaic County, NJ, (D.N.J. 1999) Complaint Consent Decree


    Cases Raising Claims Under The National Voter Registration Act *
    •United States v. State of Florida, (N.D. Fla. 2012)
    •United States v. State of Louisiana, (M.D. La. 2011)
    •United States v. State of Rhode Island, (D.R.I. 2011)
    •United States v. Cibola County, NM, (D.N.M. 2007)
    •United States v. City of Philadelphia, PA, (E.D. Pa. 2007)

    •United States v. State of New Jersey (D. N.J. 2006)
    •United States v. State of Maine, (D. Me. 2006)
    •United States v. State of Indiana, (S.D. Ind. 2006)

    •United States v. State of Missouri, (W.D. Mo. 2005)

    •United States v. Pulaski County, AR, (E.D. Ark. 2004)

    •United States v. State of New York, (N.D.N.Y. 2004)

    •United States v. State of Tennessee, (M.D. Tenn. 2002)
    •United States v. City of St. Louis, MO, (E.D. Mo. 2002)
    •United States v. State of New York, (E.D.N.Y. 1996)
    •United States v. State of Michigan, (W.D. Mich. 1995)
    •Commonwealth of Virginia v. United States, (E.D. Va 1995)
    •United States v. State of Mississippi, (S.D. Miss. 1995)
    •United States v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, (E.D. Pa. 1995)
    •United States v. State of Illinois, (N.D. Ill. 1995)
    •Condon v. Reno, (D.S.C. 1995)
    •Wilson v. United States, (N.D. Cal 1994)

    Settlements Under The National Voter Registration Act *
    •The United States and the State of Illinois, Department of Human Services, December 15, 2008.

    •The United States and the Arizona Department of Economic Security, May 15, 2008.


    Cases Raising Claims Under The Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act *
    •U.S. v. State of Illinois, (N.D. Ill. 2013)
    •U.S. v. State of Vermont, (D. Vt. 2012)
    •U.S. v. Territory of the Virgin Islands, (D.V.I. 2012)
    •U.S. v. State of Michigan, (W.D. Mich. 2012)
    •U.S. v. State of Georgia, (N.D. Ga. 2012)
    •U.S. v. State of California, (E.D. Cal. 2012)
    •U.S. v. State of Wisconsin, (W.D. Wis. 2012)
    •U.S. v. State of Alabama, (D. Ala. 2012)
    •U.S. v. State of Illinois, (N.D. Ill. 2010)
    •U.S. v. State of New York, (N.D.N.Y. 2010)
    •U.S. v. State of New Mexico, (D.N.M. 2010)
    •U.S. v. Territory of Guam, (D. Guam 2010)
    •U.S. v. State of Wisconsin, (W.D. Wis. 2010)
    •U.S. v. State of New York, (N.D.N.Y. 2009)
    •U.S. v. State of Alabama, (M.D. Ala. 2008)
    •U.S. v. Commonwealth of Virginia, (E.D. Va. 2008)
    •U.S. v. State of Vermont, (D. Vt. 2008)
    •U.S. v. State of Tennessee, (M.D. Tenn. 2008)
    •U.S. v. State of Connecticut, (D. Conn. 2006)
    •U.S. v. State of North Carolina, (M.D.N.C. 2006)
    •U.S. v. State of Alabama, (M.D. Ala. 2006)
    •U.S. v. State of Georgia, (N.D. Ga. 2004)
    •U.S. v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, (M.D. Pa. 2004)
    •U.S. v. Oklahoma, (W.D. Okla. 2002)
    •U.S. v. Texas, (W.D. Tex. 2002)
    •U.S. v. State of Michigan, (W.D. Mich 2000)
    •U.S. v. New York City Board of Elections, (S.D.N.Y. 1998)
    •U.S. v. State of Oklahoma, (W.D. Okla. 1998)
    •U.S. v. State of Mississippi, (S.D. Miss. 1996)
    •U.S. v. Orr, (N.D. Ill. 1995)
    •U.S. v. State of New Jersey, (D.N.J. 1994)
    •U.S. v. State of Michigan, (W.D. Mich. 1993)
    •U.S. v. New York City Board of Elections, (S.D.N.Y. 1992)
    •U.S. v. State of Delaware, (D. Del. 1992)
    •U.S. v. State of Michigan, (W.D. Mich. 1992)
    •U.S. v. State of New Jersey, (D.N.J. 1992)
    •U.S. v. State of Wisconsin, (W.D. Wis. 1992)
    •U.S. v. State of Texas, (W.D. Tex. 1991)
    •U.S. v. State of Tennessee, (M.D. Tenn. 1990)
    •U.S. v. State of Colorado, (D. Colo. 1990)
    •U.S. v. State of Tennessee, (M.D. Tenn. 1990)
    •U.S. v. State of New Jersey, (D.N.J. 1990)
    •U.S. v. State of Mississippi, (S.D. Miss. 1989)
    •U.S. v. State of Oklahoma, (W.D. Okla. 1988)
    •U.S. v. State of Wyoming, (D. Wyo. 1988, 1989)
    •U.S. v. State of Michigan, (W.D. Mich. 1988)
    •U.S. v. State of Idaho, (D. Idaho 1988)
    •U.S. v. Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, (M.D. Pa. 1988)

    Settlements Under The Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act *
    •United States and the State of Kansas, October 15, 2010

    •United States and the State of Mississippi, October 15, 2010

    •United States and the State of North Dakota, October 8, 2010

    •United States and the State of Nevada, October 4, 2010

    •United States and the District of Columbia, September 17, 2010

    •United States and the State of Colorado, September 16, 2010

    •United States and the State of Hawaii, September 16, 2010

    •United States and the State of Alaska, September 3, 2010

    •United States and the Territory of the U.S. Virgin Islands, September 2, 2010

    •United States and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, October 22, 2008


    Cases Raising Claims Under The Help America Vote Act (HAVA) *
    •United States v. Fort Bend County, TX (S.D. Tex. 2009)

    •United States v. Bolivar County, MS, (N.D. Miss. 2008)

    •United States v. Galveston County, TX, (S.D. Tex. 2007)

    •United States v. Cibola County, NM, (D.N.M. 2007)
    •United States v. City of Philadelphia, PA, (E.D. Pa. 2007)
    •United States v. State of New Jersey, (D. N.J. 2006)
    •United States v. Cochise County, AZ, (D. Ariz. 2006)
    •United States v. State of Maine (D. Me. 2006)
    •United States v. State of Alabama (M.D. Ala. 2006)
    •United States v. New York State Board of Elections (N.D. N.Y. 2006)
    •United States v. Westchester County, NY (S.D. N.Y. 2005)
    •United States v. San Benito County, CA (N.D. Cal 2004)

    Settlements Under The Help America Vote Act *
    •The United States and the State of California, November 2, 2005.




    Care to show us the list voter fraud? :laugh:
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    I never realized how far I was from my first polling place in Florida until reading the complaints on this thread. It was at least four miles from my home (as the crow flies). Walking it would taken at least an hour because the only route was on two-lane straight roads. No short-cuts because the surrounding area was full of gator and mosquito infested swampland, or criss-crossed by canals. Gee, I had no idea that anyone was trying to suppress my vote. What a fool I must have been 23 years ago.

    Another thing. Signing up voters in college is a sham. I was signed up at college as a freshman (because My RA said everyone should register) but was not required to surrender my previous voter registration card or surrender my out-of-state driver license, thus I was registered in two places. I never voted in my college town, but I could have. On 1976 election day I was in both places before the polls closed. I voted at home in the morning and could have voted at college in the evening. I guess if I had gone to school in Chicago, I wouldn't have had second thoughts about running down to the precinct to vote again; but no matter, as Carter won anyway without me doubling up my vote for him.
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    The liberal attitude on this just shows why we are becoming a nanny state. voting used to be seen as a privilege of a US citizen.
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    explain?
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    Absolutely not, not in any way, shape or form. I have never felt that way, and I never will. The history in many cases is horrible and I am very empathetic to those that were affected.

    The truth, again, as it relates to this thread and the OP, is relatively simple. I don't see one shred of credible evidence whatsoever that the current election process, or coming changes to Boone, NC are discriminatory towards minorities. With that said, and to the point above about the history, I can certainly understand reasoned skepticism towards changes.
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    river - I've been in a debate sort of mood here lately, so I've been posting a little more here than usual. It offers fewer repercussions than sparring with the wife, so....:grin:

    I understand the point you're making. And my wording is admittedly poor at times. But, in this particular case, the two polling places are less than 3/4 of a mile apart. And if you're concerned about access for students, most of the on-campus student housing appears to be located on the West side of the campus...which is closer to the county admin building (the infamous polling place) than the Plemmens center on campus. Looking at it that way, the distance might be half a mile.
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    No concern that they are creating a polling place that defies the state's own guidelines?

    Why?


    Especially when the head of the board of elections has admitted that it doesn't provide any benefit....financial or otherwise.

    And if its as badly over subscribed as explained one could reasonably assume voting integrity might be at greater risk than before.

    Why would you do this if it didn't benefit efficiency or cost?

    Is it better for citizens to have reduced access to voting?

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