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Discussion in 'Nuttin' but Net' started by UFnuts, Apr 6, 2014.
I agree with almost all of what you said.
About this post and a couple others you made, it reminds me of a post Pomeroy made a few years ago. The elite schools seem to not know what to do with tweeners. Guys who are too big or small for that position defensively, but a mismatch on offense. The elite schools tend to bring those guys off the bench. He pondered why a mid-major coach did not intentionally try to find those guys and offer them starters minutes. As a group, you could have a bunch of mismatches on the offensive end while still covering all of the positions on defense. A guy who's 6'8 playing PG but guards the 3 spot while your shooting guard defends the 1 and your SF on offense defends the 2.
The same could work out for us here: Murphy plays a stretch 4 on offense and Robinson plays a face-up 3 down low. On defense, Murphy guards the 4 and Robinson the 3. We get a mismatch on offense since one of the post guys has to come out and guard or gets beats with quickness inside. Of course, that's predicated on Murhpy being able to shoot from outside, which you indicate is not his strong suit.
Who knows, just something cool to think about.
Murphy has very nice form on his outside shot. I expect him to be one of our better perimeter shooters.
One given about Duke is...K just doesn't recruit guys who can't shoot.
DFS, after seeing film of him at VT, his shooting wasn't very good from 3 pt land. This year after being with the Gators nearly two years, his shooting wasn't very good again. Streaky, a couple of good games, but a lot of disappearing acts. Of course he was a good rebounder and a pretty good defender. His driving to the hoop and finishing needs work, his 3 pt shooting needs someone like Teddy to straighten out his shot. Napier was gold for UConn in that he could score consistently on anybody. Daniels, their wing, could hit threes and drive and finish. DFS needs to stay at power forward and only shoot from the outside if the shot clock is winding to the end. Otherwise drive to the hoop or dish off and learn a shot close to the hoop, a pull up or a jump hook, something he could get a better percentage on. We need a inside option next year that can be reliable.
I can guarantee that you will not see Robinson playing the 4 against teams with size like Kentucky will have (and always seems to have), or many other SEC and other conference teams. He may be incredibly strong and athletic, but you simply can't give up 35-45 lbs and expect to handle the physical match up.
Robinson won't be starting next year, barring some kind of disaster, so his relative lack of size won't necessarily dictate where he plays.
Im willing to bet Robinson starts at the 3 next year. Absolutely zero chance its devon walker and we will not have 3 guards so that leaves Robinson who is an ideal 3 or DFS. Robinson has the body of a 3 and the size of a stretch 4. He is going to be our best freshman and will add much needed offense from day 1.
I agree that Devon Walker won't start, but my guess is DFS, Harris and Chris Walker at the frontcourt spots.
Why not 3 guards? Hill, Fraizer, and Carter.
To start, nobody knows how much carter will be able to contribute. He could be fully healed and still not back to anywhere close to his Rurgers
days. Second, to play 3 guards would require all 3 to shoot relatively good. Chances of Hill and Carter getting that much better is not highly likely, but is possible. 3rd, Robinson will be a better shooter than carter, provide a great deal more size and athleticism helping more on offense, defense, and rebounding. 4th, we will need Carter to play both the pg and sg positions as a backup. 5th, a small 3 guard lineup is usually played out of necessity, which I believe between Robinson and DFS we will not need 3 guards as starters, but could see at times during the game. I have more but I think I have already written too much.
As long as Harris makes it through Billys stipulations n
Not enough size to defend a team with quality wing players
I think DFS would be a terrific starter at SF, but I think we will need his minutes at PF given how thin we will be in the post and how many different players we have who can play the wing (Frazier II, Carter, D. Walker, D. Graham, B. Francis). We aren't going to have all 5 of those guys getting their minutes at one position.
A Hill, Carter, Frazier 3-guard lineup would run 6-1, 6-2, 6-4, which is not ideal, but hardly terrible. We were under that when we had Walker-Boynton-Beal in 2012 and Walker-Boynton-Rosario in 2013.
Carter shot 35% and 32% from three in his two seasons at Rutgers by the way.
Devon Robinson is just what the doctor order at the 3. No 3 guard lineups unless we are challenged by a team with something like this. Robinson is skinny, but he can shoot from anywhere. Plus being 6'8', that would allow him some rebounds. DFS can't shoot consistent enough to be shooting threes from the outside unless there is a big turnaround. We need him playing PF and working on a mid range shot and finishing at the rim. We will have three fresh men that can shoot, add Carter, DWalk, these guys I will go on the record saying that these freshmen will provide a lot of scoring in their Florida careers, Robinson and Francis can fill it up. These two have confidence in their offensive arsenals, something Bradley Beal had. I can't wait to see them get minutes and grow into Cat killing alligators! LOL
Unless you're a freak of nature like Ralph Sampson was....and Robinson IS.
Desire has as much to do with it as talent does and Devon is clearly talented.
I agree that Robinson would be an ideal SF in our system, but I'm just not sure if he'll be ready to start there as a freshmen.
This is correct. DFS may "start" at SF if Billy wanted CWalker and Harris to both start as well, but most of his minutes are likely to come at the PF position where we will need him more. We'll have plenty of guys capable of playing the SF position and more of a need at the PF position.
This discussion also brings home the importance of adding another big in this class like Horford or Mourning (Mourning seems increasingly unlikely).
If we do not land another big in this class and must wait until January for Murphy, then we will start off with only Harris, Walker and Finney Smith at the pf and C positions. I think that would dictate playing Smith largely in relief at the 4 position and either going to a smaller lineup or Robinson/D.Walker at the 3.
As others have pointed out, Donovan has gone to three guards (Frazier at SF) before and could opt for more shooting and less of an interior presence.
My guess is that if we are full strength we'll see Harris, Walker and Finney Smith as starters with Donovan mixing in different lineups including the three guard offense at times.
The stronger Robinson gets, the quicker he'll make an impact.