Big Money Donor To Democrates Being Nominated For Homeland Security Post

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    I did not say that single payor was a totally "radical" idea. I said they are both radicals and they both favor single payor. The thought that they area both radicals does not come from the fact that they favor single payor, it is just one more piece of evidence showing they are simpatico.
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    They have been slow playing it for 40-50 yrs. They use the real wing nuts to make them seem more benign. Then they let a Van Jones in front of the mic and gauge the reaction. It's a constant push and reassess. The Tea Party is the fly in the ointment right now. That's why the big push to marginalize them and paint them as "fringe" and "extremist". That way the low/avg voter will avoid them as to not be seen as extreme.

    Democracy and freedom will die not with a whimper but with thunderous applause. The masses will be clamoring to be saved and they will be happy to give their lives over for a crumb lathered in feces.
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    You are making my point. What is it all Marx fanboys plead when they have the murderous 100 million body efforts at Marxism through the 20th century thrown at them? Why, they cry that Stalin and Lenin and Mao and whomever else were just not "doing it right", and if someone "did it right", it would work (spoilers: no it won't, will end just as bloody as every prior failure). We are trying to survive the American left's attempts to "do it right".
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    Since no one has achieved anything approaching "full communism" absent revolution, whoever these fanboys are sure don't know much if they are putting their hopes in a duly elected non-communist liberal in a representative democracy that is the guardian of global capital. They must be rather patient too, since they seem cool with waiting decades and decades for results.
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    Single Payer isn't a radical position

    In fact, privatized health care is

    When compared to the rest of the world
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    They are fine with waiting for now. A battle from with in, winning inches at a time. Hell they've got 30-40% of the American populous eating out of their hands. The fight comes when the money starts to run out and they have to cut the money to pay for their "civil rights" food stamps, Gov housing, Gov sponsored healthcare. Look at the riots in Greece, just the edge over there. Funny how the 17% shutdown affected who Obama wanted, get the most shock value. Same with the sequester. It's all a play man.

    Certainly Obama is far closer to being a communist/socialist than being a capitalist, except when it comes to his own personal finances.
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    How far behind would medical and drug advances be if the US was a single payer system with our highly efficient gubmnt running the system?
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    $100,000 over a decade to some Democrats? $2,300 big bucks to Hillary's campaign? Sounds more like chicken feed than a "big money donor." Campaigns cost millions of dollars.
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    Why do we need DHS anyway? It has been a complete and utter failure. We already had a DHS anyway and it's called the DOD. They've been pretty successful in our nation history's seeing as we've won every war we've fought and we haven't been invaded now in over 200 years.

    The only thing that needed revamping was our intelligence community.

    Well maybe DHS did do one thing, terrorists now weep and gnash their teeth at all the bureaucracy they have to get through in order to get into this country now, but we could have accomplished that without a whole new department.
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    Healthcare being one's own responsibility (and therefore the choices affecting it, their right) has been a self-evident fact of human existence other than the last like 75-100 years of statist depravity.

    Statist progressives don't care about the health, they care about the choices. Assume responsibility for someone's health, and you take authority over the decisions that affect it. That is what it is all about.
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    It was called "doing something" after 9/11. Whenever something bad happens, the government has to "do something," i.e. spend billions of dollars quick. What easier way to spend billions than create a new, totally unnecessary agency?
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    By that logic handing out cellphones is radical compared to the rest of the world.

    By that logic Women's rights is radical to the Muslim world.

    Twist on
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    which previous secretaries of HSA do you consider more qualified?
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    Yeah, I noticed that too. It's getting real dark in DC. And when the next guy gets elected they'll cry foul for firing all of them too.
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    Will never know but because of all these advances people are living longer and driving up healthcare costs. So it is a catch 22.

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