Big Bang theory skeptics outnumber believers in US

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    Which other planet has this intelligent life that you're so sure it exists. The Star War trilogies don't count.
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    Compared to the odds of life evolving from virtually nothing makes your examples sound like every day occurrences. Now if you come up with the same person winning the Powerball every week for the next couple of years then you'll have a real comparison.
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    I don't misunderstand the experiment. Check some science history. The classic conclusion is that spontaneous generation of life does not occur, that life does not come from non-life.

    From infoplease.com:

    Louis Pasteur, the notable French scientist, accepted the challenge to re-create the experiment and leave the system open to air. He subsequently designed several bottles with S-curved necks that were oriented downward so gravity would prevent access by airborne foreign materials. He placed a nutrient-enriched broth in one of the goose-neck bottles, boiled the broth inside the bottle, and observed no life in the jar for one year. He then broke off the top of the bottle, exposing it more directly to the air, and noted life-forms in the broth within days. He noted that as long as dust and other airborne particles were trapped in the S-shaped neck of the bottle, no life was created until this obstacle was removed. He reasoned that the contamination came from life-forms in the air. Pasteur finally convinced the learned world that even if exposed to air, life did not arise from nonlife.

    Read more: Origin of Life: Spontaneous Generation | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/cig/biology/spontaneous-generation.html#ixzz2zvlWwy00
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    And there are so many that we don't see that happen around us all the time. We only see the final result. Every time somebody dies in an accident, it has been preceded by a chain of millions, even billions of events over the course of their lifetime and before it, all the way back to the beginning of time, all of which had to happen just as they did for the final tragedy to result.
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    The chances of me writing this sentence, at this moment, are slim to none. And none just left the building.
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    If one were determined to spin a positive out of this, perhaps Americans have finally come to understand that "settled science" is almost entirely a misguided concept that's used for nefarious political purposes. As OBOB basically says, skepticism is inherent in science. "Settling" a scientific issue of any significance is essentially not possible. If you're waiting on the science to be certain, then you're just waiting. Forever.

    But I'm probably just the eternal optimist!
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    How do you know what the odds are of life evolving from non-life?
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    In other words, you are arguing that not observing an event over a few weeks is proves that this event can never occur? This is most certainly a very fundamental misunderstanding of epistemology.
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    I don't think it does. To me it is a person who doesn't take things as facts just because someone says they are. He/she allows that they may be true but keeps an open mind toward that not necessarily being the case. Guess it is all in the interpretation of the meaning.
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    Everything in the visible universe rewinds to the same spot 13,721,000,000 years ago. There exist several tools for measurement and they all say the same thing. The reason for skepticism is likely ignorance. Scientific advances simply aren't publicized. The average American knows more about Justin Beiber than quantum entanglement or special relativity.
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    I'm a believer!
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    And not holding America back one iota. This is like gay rights, handwringiong outstripping reality.
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    I'm saying that is how the scientific community at the time viewed the concept. Still, those who promote the concept of random processes turning non-life into life and then that life recreating itself into the vanishingly complex forms we see today have remarkable hurdles to overcome that are dismissed quite lightly by waving the magic wand of time.
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    And yet, though commonly put forward as a example of the power of random processes over time, we know that a bunch of monkeys sitting at typewriters COULDN'T POSSIBLY recreate even a sonnet of Shakespeare, no matter how much time they were given. Some odds are so high as to be indistinguishable from impossibility.
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    In the history of mankind has there ever been a recorded case of that happening?
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    Well, under your theory, since God isn't alive in the scientific sense--he isn't an organism and we didn't spawn from him through some physiological process--one would have to accept that life could come from non-life, only it would be based on magic rather than a physical origin to life proposed by scientists.

    In so far as I can tell, this is one of the few controversies still lively in America where one side has brought absolutely nothing to the table, yet the debate somehow drags on.
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    I wouldn't say that science hasn't brought anything to the table. If nothing else, it reveals what an amazing, complex & complimentary world that's been created for us to be a part of.
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    Many will find that offensive. Lack of sophistication crosses all lines as you've just proved.
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    At the time, sure, but you do agree that it doesn't actually mean that the origin of life could not have occurred naturally, right?

    Indeed, biologists believe that it takes time for evolution to happen. However, as someone has delved into the primary literature in evolutionary biology, I'd say that "dismissed quite lightly" is an extremely poor description of the state of the science. I think you are likely unfamiliar with the amount of energy, thought, and analysis that have been put toward elucidating the mechanism of evolutionary change.

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