Benghazi: No 'stand down'

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    so they were told they did not have authorization to go. that does not mean they were told to 'stand down'..semantics, the last resort of a failed arguement
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    "so they were told they did not have authorization to go. that does not mean they were told to 'stand down'..semantics, the last resort of a failed arguement"

    Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=265281&page=2#ixzz2XSM0WLBo

    THIS.

    IF we hadn't heard how involved the President was in getting OBL; and,
    IF we hadn't been fed a pile of cow manure about the video...for several days;
    THEN, perhaps we would take at face value this response as something meaningful.

    Fireman A was not told to "stand down" in response to the house across the street burning down; rather, the Fire Chief gave him an order to "guard the fire house" so it didn't burn down too. Okay, he wasn't told NOT to help them - he was just told to do something else = same result.

    Again, fog of war, etc. there could be many possible truths; however, as stated earlier - without the photos of our President assiduously watching the "spontaneous protest" at Benghazi in the situation room and with the line of BS from the UN Ambassador SEVERAL DAYS after the murder the OA tends to have limited credibility in this case.
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    I haven't followed this part of the controversy closely, but I agree that this seems to be a matter of semantics.

    There doesn't appear to be any dispute that the troops in Tripoli were ordered not to go to Benghazi. I don't pretend to know whether that was the right call under the circumstances. However, if those were in fact the orders then I don't see how it matters whether the exact words "stand down" were or weren't used.
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    'stand down'---means that an order was given by a person further up in a command to cease an action or plan of action

    'had no authorization'--means that order was not received to implement an action. This could result from order to 'stand down' OR person higher up in command had not yet decided yes or no to a planned action. The second being a matter of one or more of the following indecision due to insufficient intel, exploring possible alternative plans(military diplomatic, etc), etc. Another possibility for 'had no authorization' is a communications delay that was long enough to prevent plan from being implemented in time.

    Of note in the previous few posts is the apparent tight window of time for a go ahead to occur.
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    Probably the #1 most idiotic comment in this thread so far.


    At least FOX bothered to even cover it before the election.
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    just like Fox polls and analysts spun things prior to the election---and revealed to all on election Night via none other than Karl Rove's 'Republican math' meltdown.

    Fox policy--if the truth doesn't please Cons --go to the backroom and tell the writers, poll analysts, etc to lie.

    Gotta love when Rove stomped off to order the Fox poll analysts to change their interpretations to match Rove's wants

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk
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    I got 3000 photos for you that you don't give this much of a sht about

    The incident was unfortunate but part of the cost of doing business in the ME, that Stevens was fully aware of
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    Good article. Thanks.
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    Wait, I thought the AP and IRS "scandals" were the new Watergate. I guess hope spring eternal for the losers.
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    what difference does it make?
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    No doubt, many of the relatives of the 4,000 lost in service overseas in the last decade are left wondering what happened to their loved ones and whether someone screwed up. The right only seems to care about these 4.
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    Not true. If any administration, lies, covers up, concocts a story through multiple edits, then parades representatives to spread those lies, cover ups and stories on numerous tv news shows, no matter who the party and who the president...they should be investigated and skewered. The problem in this case is that Fox was the only network raising questions.

    Has the cat who made the video been released from jail yet?

    Row, those of you wearing "knee pads" supporting the most corrupt administration since Warren Harding and the most inept administration since Jimmy Carter, are a real hoot.
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    Odd, since pubs were so silent about Judy Miller, WMDs, lost emails, etc.

    Apparently, these "during any administration" matters of principle only crop up during Dem ones. During pub ones, it's crickets.
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    Judith Miller spent time in jail. The Valerie Plame leaks resulted in Scooter Libby landing in jail. Fred, I haven't seen where anyone in the Obama administration is interested in more details about Benghazi much less prosecuting anyone. They want it to go away. Many of us would like to see a special prosecutor. As we would with the IRS.
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    You are predisposed to believe crimes exist because Fox said so.

    Also, pubs defended everyone listed above vehemently and said the prosecutions were witch hunts at the time.
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    Obama lied, and our diplomats died, and Obama didn't give a sh*t because he had campaigning to do the next morning.

    Libs can spin that all they want, but that's the ugly truth of it, and they can't refute it.
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    The crime is in the "coverup". If you would take off your "Obama Knee Pads" and revue the message coming from the White House, Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton and other talking heads (this during the run up to the election), it is clear that what really happened did not fit with the regime narrative so they all lied their asses off.
    And some poor schmuck who made a video got tossed in jail and blamed for their lies.

    And what about requests for additional security. Since the ambassador was gay, I would think you demos would be further outraged, especially after what has been learned about the brutalization of his body.
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    but but but


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    http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/obamavsbush/explanation

    Bush never said it was okay to use drones on US citizens with out proper due process....
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    But, but, but ... I've been critical of Obama for staying too long in Afghanistan. I'm all in for the hot pursuit and drone strikes in Pakistan however. It worked to kill OBL and decimate AQ leadership, and with much less loss of life especially for the US but probably innocents in country as well.
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