Ben Carson, M.D.: potential GOP presidential candidate

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  1. orangeblueorangeblue

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    My point is pretty simple - if you're looking for the right person with the right insight into health coverage, neither a doctor nor a physician is the person you want calling the shots.

    Beyond that, he doesn't have any political experience - like it or not, that's extraordinarily valuable if you want to accomplish things. As I said, I think we're good on woefully inexperienced presidential candidates for a while, thanks.
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    To your first point I disagree, I just don't like the idea of not taking one seriously solely because he's a physician. It's kind of a weird absolute rule to have when it comes to health coverage.

    Your second point, you're right. I like him, but I don't know that I think he should be our President. I think some political experience is almost needed just to navigate the labyrinthian and messy ways of Washington.
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    Obama has much more experience in lying (unless Carson told his patients, "If you like me as your doctor, you can keep me," then he retired).
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    I think you misunderstood. I'm not saying such a person should not be "taken seriously" but rather that they should not be granted any notion of expertise, as was the basis of this part of the conversation.
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    Why shouldn't they be granted any notion of expertise?
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    Yeah, why consult doctors, pharmacists, therapists on how to cut health care costs. Hire a lawyer who has been a community organizer. That should work well.
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    The moreWashington puts their arms

    around healthcare the more screwed up it becomes.
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    Screwed up is what it has been. There were always going to be wrinkles and adjustments needed. But doing nothing about the ever increasing costs of our healthcare was not really an option. Well, it was for pubs, but it shouldn't have been.
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    I stop listening when someone compares life in America to life in Nazi Germany.
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    obviously, he's not a stupid man, but you have to wonder:
    1. Does he really not know anything about life in Nazi Germany?
    2. Does he really think that what he sees in the U.S. is remotely similar?
    3. Or is he just counting on the ignorance of his target audience? ("Uh, yup! It's Nazi Germany alright!")
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    Mostly #3, I think. Partisanship allows you to make some leaps in logic, such as comparing an IRS audit to concentration camps, rhetoric his followers are pleased to take in stride.
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    Lol... just like Obama! So absolutely right you are.
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    Yeah, and Washington has had their hands around it for a long time. I just don't get the people in love with federal government and control. Ever since the government got involved in healthcare its become a disaster.
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    Please note I specifically said no politicians. Did you even read my posts?
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    I suspect you're right.I wonder of any of Carson's fans here will address his comments.
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    Personally, I don't think Carson has any intention of running for president. No one with national ambitions makes comments like "white liberals are the biggest racists on the planet." I think he's just a highly-credentialed rabble-rouser, a la Sarah Palin.
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    I agree it's been screwed up, but makes you think the government is capable of being successful with this? This is part of the line of thinking from the left that I don't understand - I understand you want things done, and there are massive problems in our society that need to be fixed, but what has our shit-tastic government done to instill confidence that they are capable of running a single-payer health care system in a financially responsible way, and even outside of finances, what makes anyone think that our government that almost everyone agrees is bloated with bureaucratic nonsense is even capable of providing an efficient system in the first place?
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    I don't think he really plans to run either, that much I agree with you. I think that quote about white racists is pretty funny, actually.
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    Our government runs the VA and military and those are actually pretty damn good things. But it’s not as if the private sector was going to fix the problems as the costs have been rising without at least a related improvement in the system or in access. So knowing this—as we have for a long time--why is it that the pubs haven’t done a thing to reform healthcare?
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    Already did.

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