Beal in Olympics Player Pool

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    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...nce-wide-variety-standouts-new-28-player-pool

    Out of 28 players. He probably won't make it for the 2016 Olympics, but might go to Spain for 2014 if we need more shooting.

    This is definitely the deepest pool we've ever had to draw from of guys willing to go with Durant and Lebron still in their primes, plus all of the other young guys, and may be the best group of talent we've ever put together (even better than the original dream team since a lot of those guys were old or not very good, cough Laettner cough).
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    Dream team I - maybe old, but "not very good?" :eek:
    Pat Ewing - great
    Laettner - ok, I'll give you this one
    David Robinson - very good/great
    MJ - legend
    Bird - legend
    Magic - legend
    Karl Malone - great
    Charles B - great
    Chris Mullins - very good
    Scottie Pippen - very good
    John Stockton - great
    Clyde Drexler - great

    You probably make a good point about depth. That team lacked depth at PG. I don't remember who played the point when Stockton was out, but it didn't matter.
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    Better than the dream team, hehe... Oh you. :p
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    Wait...I am confused. Did someone actually claim the dream team wasn't...no..that kind of nonsense wouldn't be on anything but an FSU board.
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    I didn't say that the dream team wasn't good, but when you look at who will be in their primes for this team and who was for the original dream team, the case can be made.

    Remember, Larry had a hard time walking much less playing basketball and Magic hadn't played in a year and was out of shape.
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    I'm with you. Though I argue the 2012 men's national team was equal to or better than the original Dream Team.

    This was the roster:

    PG- Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams
    SG- Kobe Bryant, James Harden
    SF- Lebron James, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Andre Iguodala
    PF- Kevin Love
    C- Tyson Chandler, Anthony Davis

    You have Melo, Durant, James, Paul, Westbrook all in their prime. Kevin Love, Davis and James Harden just coming into their prime. Kobe Bryant still playing at an extremely high level and Chandler/Williams/Iguodala are quality specialists that fit needs. You don't have a bad player in that group and the depth is unbelievable because Anthony and James can play the 4 (and even spot time at the 5).
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    FWIW - Chuck Daly called Scottie his second-best player

    Here's a good documentary on the dream team FWIW........

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    That 2012 team was loaded at the three, but Dream Team I centers were two HOFs. No comparison there. And the PF position today is much different than it was back then. Can't compare guys like Kevin Love with Karl Malone/Charles Barkley. But I'll take the old guys over Love at this point.
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    I still say the '96 team was the best. It had Shaq, Hakeem, Malone, and Robinson. That team would eviscerate the '12 team on the inside. The '92 team probably would as well. Davis was just too green.

    Davis is really improving, though. Cousins is even turning into a beast. Seems like the big man is coming back.

    The weak link still remains the college coach who uses terrible rotations, doesn't know how to defend a pick and roll, refuses to make half-time adjustments (seriously, Greece beat us in '06 using the same play the entire game), and can't coach NBA caliber defense. Really, making NBA athletes play position defense and take charges? The NBA is a defensive league and those guys know how to play it, so let them.

    Pop with this squad would be a monster. Daly was the perfect fit for the '92 squad as well.
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    Can't agree with you on Coach K. He has rarely lost a game as head coach and the guys want to play for him for a reason.
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    But rarely should be never and there are plenty of other coaches these guys would play for. This roster should have never lost a game but lost a few instead.

    http://www.usab.com/mens/national/2006_MWC_Roster.html
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    It is obviously tough to make this cross generational comparisons, but I have a hard time believing that the 2008 and 2012 teams wouldn't hold their own against the legends. It was only 25 years since those guys, but there has definitely been a bit more freakish athleticism in the NBA since then. LeBron, Durant, Paul, Curry...will all be legends on par with the Jordans/Birds.

    And I don't mean any disrespect the legendary dream team, but these are are USA national basketball teams. They aren't going to be overwhelmed. This probably goes for the 2014 team too. What they really lack is experience playing together, but that would apply to 1992 as well.
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    I agree on the cross generational comparisons, but that '92 and '96 team had plenty of athletic freaks as well. Olajuwan, Shaq, and Robinson were all block machines, and either overpowered their opponents (Shaq), or could put a million moves on you(Hakeem) or both (The Admiral). The only one like him on the '08 and '12 teams was Howard in '08. Not enough fouls for him to take care of all of them. The '08 team suffered from overplaying Kobe who's a chucker and in the game against Spain for the gold both caused us to keep it close with his ball hogging ways and then saved us in the end when he got hot. The guard and small forward play would be about even, but there's just nothing that team could do against the post play of those teams.

    Curry didn't play on either team (he played on the '10 World Cup team that Durant took to the gold), but the '12 team had super-international Melo (who shows up at every international game, but only shows up two or threes time per NBA season like the other night) and Durant who both set 3 point records. It also had prime Lebron, but was now playing old Kobe, and had no one inside but a guy who'd never played in the NBA and a not 100% Chandler.

    This next team, though, will have all of the strengths, and none of the weaknesses. It's still a ways off, but I imagine the starters will be Durant, Lebron, Curry/Paul, Davis, and one of Love/Aldridge/Drummond depending on how big it wanted to go and how much they had improved. That's a 6'9 or larger guy at every position but the point. Having a 6'11 shooting guard is what makes that team scary. Melo, Cousins (if he keeps improving and doesn't do something really stupid), Harden, George, and another shooter/point guard. So two of the Love/Aldridge/Drummond group and one of Beal/Westbrook/Rose depending on injuries and improvement. That's a potential hall of famer at every position.
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    I know they're loaded at the position but I think Parsons should get a look, at least get him into the US national team system. I think he'd do well with the international game and you need a few unselfish glue guys
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    Parson was left off the team apparently.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...from-team-usa-select-basketball-roster/page/7

    Perhaps it was that motivation behind his 10 three pointers last night
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    Very good? These are HOF players. Pippen and Robinson are top 30 all-time players, and Mullin was one of the best shooters to ever play.
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    Was replying to someone who wrote that they were "old or not very good." My point was that all of them, with the exception of Laettner, were either very good or better. Feel free to apply your own labels.
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    Oh I agree that these guys were athletic freaks, but I think it is not irrational to argue that today's NBA is more athletic on average than the NBA of 25 years ago. And today's freaks are on average freakier than those of 25 years ago. Clearly LeBron is just on his own level, but I would also argue that guys like Durant, Rose, Wall, and Westbrook don't have any corollaries back then.

    I am very excited about the next team. A team like the one you are describing would be nuts. Just nuts.
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    I said a lot weren't very good or old when I should have said some. Laettner was not good. Magic and Bird were old. No one on the next roster will be.

    Mullins by the way, had had his best year shooting the 3 before that Olympics at 37.2% in 89-90 and shot 36.6% coming in to the 92 Olympics. He boosted his career percentage a lot the next few years when the line moved in. He also had never had more than 3 attemps per game coming in either.

    By contrast, of the guys in the pool, Beal, Durant, Curry, Hayward, Irving, Korver, Lillard, and Thompson all have a higher career 3 point % on more attempts than Mullin had had in any single season coming in to the Olympics. Also, Lebron, Melo, Iggy, Love, Paul, George, Leonard, and Williams have all had a season in their last 2 seasons with a higher % on more attemps than Mullin did.

    So, he was a great shooter in the 90s, but he wouldn't be considered such today. The talent of these guys is amazing.
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