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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by mocgator, Dec 3, 2013.
im guessing we can find a medium in between these 2 charts that could satisfy most people
That's a ridiculously unfair chart. It shows the total "Private Spending" on healthcare by country. Then, you compare the U.S., which it's largely privately-funded healthcare system, and compare it to a bunch of countries that have socialized medicine. That's really silly.
It is true the U.S. spends far more total per capita on healthcare than anywhere else in the world, but it's nowhere near to what your silly chart implies.
you are right, bad chart given those unequal parameters, should have paid more attention
here you go
Curious if that chart includes research dollars? I know medical research happens all over the world, but it seems like the US does more than its fair share.
I wonder if the private part of this chart includes people from other parts of the world who come here for treatment. How about plastic surgery? A nice set of boobs will set you back 8-10 grand. Anybody think of going to Cuba for a face lift or boob job? No?? Me either.
People come to the US because we have the best of everything. Every. Damn. Thing. Period.
Not without lowering healthcare cost. We have much higher cost here which is why healthcare spending is so much more. Cant have one without the other...
and what makes costs so high?
lack of cost controls these other countries enjoy
our elected official bid for our health care industry to extort as much money as possible from its people
What is the average hospital bill an uninsured person comes home with after a devastating car crash in the US vs. the bill a Canadian citizen gets?
Awesome. So we take a very small sample of situations and try to insinuate a private system is bad. Forget the fact this person very well was not at fault and the offending driver was carrying BI or they were carrying UM...
Then you add that medical bankruptcy accounts for less than a percent of healthcare spending and you realize how ridiculous this attempt is...
You can't make this stuff up.
Hey we agree on something.
Though it is not the only reason why health care cost is so high.
Of course it does, plenty of cosmetic procedures done here, I wonder how may people in those socialized medicine meccas are paying for Tummy Tucks, Boob Jobs, and the Every three month shot of Botox at $500 a round.
legal medicine and cost of drugs and medical devices to support research for rest of world is what need to be addressed.
No way medicare should not be able to negotiate drug prices and loser should pay all costs in all civil suits.
Artificial cost controls always result in shortages. Perhaps this dynamic explains the longer waits in Canada than the US.
The Ortho practice I type for (well one of them) hired 4 new orthopedic surgeons and 5 P.A.s to handle the increase in patients, and over half that practice now (just got the stats memo) is comprised of Canadian patients. Last year at this time they were scheduling procedures for March. Right now the waiting list is until MAY, even with the new docs, so they are bringing another 3 surgeons to handle the surgical load. Even with the May wait, to a patient, the Canadian patients have said it's faster still than back home.
The other group I type for has had a massive increase lately of cardio patients coming in for non-emergent procedures, too, and they'll probably need to add more staff - docs are averaging 30-40 patients a day plus procedures.
This clinic is several hours from the border, which can be an excruciating drive for someone who is in incredible pain with bones rubbing on bones, pinched nerves, etc. Don't think they'd be braving that if the Canadian system was so much better.
108 and other TH libbies. Have you all signed up for your Obamacare yet? If it is so great, where are all the sign ups other than Medicaid and those who have chronic/serious health conditions who are shut out of private insurance. Through November after two months, we've had 150 K sign up with half of those in CA.