Athiest to Theist

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    I prefer to say it is our belief is what matters, not what someone else believes to be true. And that goes back to my OP on this thread; too much religion is as bad as a complete lack of religion. When we lose our objectivity and demand conformity in our surroundings then we are losing much of our humanity.
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    Much to agree with, I guess I am just questioning why a lack of any religion has to mean anything negative besides not having a religion, unless you mean it as not believing in something beyond oneself.
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    Yes, and as I stated the potential adverse effects of not believing in something bigger than yourself.
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    So you're Muslim?
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    Our beliefs, if true, have implications for others. Grownups need to just go ahead and accept this. Be big boys about it.
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    Guess again...clues in my signature...
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    Except the level of complexity I believe he's talking about isn't even comparable to the "complexity" of the Civil-war.
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    Not really an apt analogy at all. The Civil War grew up within an existing complex system and can therefore be the result of complex forces.

    However, we assume life has a point of origin in the past when there is no existing complex life in any form. Making the leap from non-life to life is an enormous hurdle. Even the simplest life forms are intensely complex and must leap into existence with the ability to respirate and reproduce. To think that the remarkably complex design of the human body created itself, and had no intelligent force behind it, takes a lot more faith than belief in a creator God.
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    And there's the problem. As much as you try to argue it's only logical a god, or some greater power exists, the "logic" all falls apart when you insist it's Jesus, or any other god for that matter.
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    I think Dr. Carsons opening remarks touch on this...

    Both sides get some time if you want to listen to all 7 minutes.

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    Why would it be illogical to presuppose that there is a logic to God, that he is not everything and nothing ?
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    Religion and people who practice have been used and abused for centuries. That it has been used for power and to make money cannot be denied. I understand why many don't have an affection for it. That said, if you have ever been attacked or encountered demons,or felt the presence of the spirit, then no one will convince you there is not a spirit world.
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    Well said, however, it should be noted that it's not religion who causes all of the problems surrounding, it's the people that do. Darn that sinful nature of humanity. We can and will corrupt anything we can get our hands on.
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    Is it logical to believe that Jesus was a born to a virgin, performed miracles, died, and then came back to life?
    If it is, then is it logical to believe David Blaine can levitate?
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    We have the revealed Word of God. We also have our own powers of observation and reason to consider what we see. Don't see why they are exclusive of each other.

    One verse says "the heavens are telling of the glory of God", meaning that we can plainly see his handiwork.
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    Many blessings for your daughters work in Uganda
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    It is even more illogical to know that.

    Oh, about this David Blaine guy ? You would have to ask him.
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    You mean it's logical to believe that if God is God then everybody can be God with a modicum of training ?
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    True, and adding even more complexity to the system in quesiton is a better argument against a single creator. A drawing of stick man may have a single creator, but an insanely complex iPad does not. In short, I'm not sure why lots of complexity is an argument for a lone "creator."

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