Are you really happy you gave him 4 more years?

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    Of course they are happy. Just like republicans were happy with Bush. For the record, I think most that voted for either Obama or Bush know that they both sucked, but overall the goal is to keep your party in the white house. Its a shame but this is the reality of our two party system.
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    I think the markets and economy will crash under Obama, so after that I think 80% of people will realize although it was not entirely his fault, his policies were a failure and he is a poor excuse for a President. Time will tell
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    Hussein had an agenda when he took office....he is slowly, but surely accomplishing it. The demise of what was the leader of the world---USA.

    Socialism at its finest. Obamus Maximus reigns.
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    The below three stats makes those on the left very happy. More relying on government programs yields more votes down the road perpetuating power, pensions and dependency.

    From the article:

    #2 Since Obama has been president, seven out of every eight jobs that have been "created" in the U.S. economy have been part-time jobs.

    #3 The number of full-time workers in the United States is still nearly 6 million below the old record that was set back in 2007.

    #4 It is hard to believe, but an astounding 53 percent of all American workers now make less than $30,000 a year.
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    yes, the alternative would have been far worse

    is OP reallllly still posting from the lame Zerohedge website....
    following is from rationalwiki
    aka----"Zero Hedge[1] is a popular batshit insane finance blog run by an anonymous founder who posts articles under the name "Tyler Durden," after Chuck Palahniuk's Fight Club antagonist personality. Tyler claims to be a "believer in a sweeping conspiracy that casts the alumni of Goldman Sachs as a powerful cabal at the helm of U.S. policy, with the Treasury and the Federal Reserve colluding to preserve the status quo." His solution actually mirrors the anatagonist in Fight Club in that Tyler wants, per Austrian school ideas, to lead a catastrophic market crash in order to destroy banking institutions and bring back "real" free market capitalism.[2]

    The site posts nearly indecipherable analyses of multiple seemingly unrelated subjects to point towards a consistent theme of economic collapse any day now. Tyler seems to repeat The Economic Collapse Blog's idea of posting blog articles many times a day and encouraging people to post it as far and wide as humanly possible. Tyler moves away from the format of long lists to write insanely dense volumes[3][4] filled with often contradicting jargon that makes one wonder if the writers even know what the words actually mean.[5] The site first appeared in early 2009, meaning that (given Tyler's habit of taking a shit on each and every positive data point), anyone listening to him from the beginning missed the entire 2000-2013 rally in the equities market.

    The only writer very conclusively identified is Dan Ivandjiiski, who conducts public interviews on behalf of Zero Hedge. "
    OP, et al---it is easy to have the point of view that the 'sky is falling' when you bury yourself in such spin sites. Try pulling your head out of those sites and get a look at reality
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    funny old- the alternative couldn't be any worse-but is moot because the ........ we got is who we got
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    you mean that a GOP POTUS continuing the same policies that got the U.S. economy to crash would make your economic situation better? You under estimate just how bad the GOP can be in dragging down an economy once it has hit critical. GOP policy of laissez faire was pretty much 8 years with GWB.....To see how 'staying' the GOP course does when it stretches to 12 years----just look at the admins of the 12 years prior to Black Tuesday(aka the beginning of the Great Depression). The policies of FDR during his first admin created massive number of jobs and was pulling the U.S. out of the depression. Sadly, during his 2nd term he reached across the aisle to get legislation that GOP would sign on to.....and that killed the recovery(look it up if you don't believe me).

    You mentioned to me your current situation in regards to business and what you are facing. And I feel for you.
    ---Question---what is the breakdown of who were your customers when your sales were best? was it 1%'ers or was it mainly hard working people(union, non union)/students/lower income families/etc.....remember, who was buying your product. And bear in mind the Henry Ford comment
    http://corporate.ford.com/news-center/press-releases-detail/677-5-dollar-a-day
    looks like the business world in America has forgotten the above in regard to the economy...and instead---looking for short term profits gained by cutting wages and screwing the employees.

    I sense from what you told me, that you pay and treat your employees well. Sadly, other businesses don't.
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    a. I am not a government pensioner.

    b. it appears today's corporations(even Ford corp) are more interested in short term profits than in long term profits and a healthy economy...otherwise the corporate world would still be gong by what worked for Henry Ford's corporation...paying employees well, treating them well...and as a result---
    ---his business did well in short and long term
    ---his employees did well
    ---and the policies strengthened the economy

    c. I believe that an economy needs to be a balance with both businesses and workers doing well---in order for economy to thrive.

    To put corporations ahead of workers is a recipe for economic failure(though businesses are happy in the short term)

    AND!!!!!

    To put workers ahead of corporations is also a recipe for economic failure(though workers would be happy in the short term)
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    Pallease old...you said you were a retired nurse so I assumed you must have worked for a government/state hospital or health care facility. Surely if you worked for a "for profit" firm you would have different views.

    Your daily diatribe sounds like you are in conspiracy with Nana. The constant drum beating against corporations gets tiring. Who owns corporations? If you own stocks or mutual funds or insurance policies, or are drawing a pension or retirement, guess what...you do. You mean, unfeeling, insensitive investor, you!
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    Stop acting like Obama has done something, ANYTHING to help recover from Bush. Considering how absolutely terrible Obama has been, it takes someone who is really biased to sit here and act like this lame duck, empty suit POS would be better than the alternative.

    At least TRY to be unbiased...
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    Bush's economic policies were closer to socialist than capitalist.
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    As a RN, I have worked the following healthcare settings
    --non-profit community hospital
    --corporate for profit hospital
    --religion based non profit hospital
    --religion affiliated corporate hospital
    --UF/Shands
    --hospital on Indian reservation(govt hospital I worked at for a year)(and am not on pension)

    in terms of quality of care, fair treatment of patients, etc I rate the settings as follows
    from best to worst
    ----Shands----does that count as a govt hospital?
    --best--non profit community hospitals and religion based non profit hospitals
    --hospital on Indian reservation
    --religion affiliated for profit hospital
    --worst--corporate for profit hospital

    The above is my experience over 25 years. Other nurses may have similar or different experiences.

    On a side note....I find it deplorable that Indian reservations get provided better healthcare than American citizens in general.

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    Corporate for profit hospitals have a basic dilemma in regards to care delivered
    ---the hospital must make money to satisfy stockholders. And the greater the short term profit the happier the stockholders are
    ---to increase short term profits it is common practice for for-profit hospitals to cut staffing to dangerous levels(in regard to risk to patient). This is so severe that there are noticeable increases in number of injuries to patients(due to falls), medication errors by nurses(resulting in injury or death to patients), treatments not performed due to insufficient time for nurses to give all treatments during course of the shift, etc.
    ---the above results in decreased profits in the long run but on the short term the cutting of staff hours looks good to stockholders.

    simply put---the more money that goes into treating patients + less profits for stockholders.

    If you want to be a patient in such a setting that is your choice. As a nurse I have no issue in being treated at a corporate hospital provided I know the nursing station and its staff and doctors. But for the general public going to a for profit hospital to receive healthcare is playing Russian roulette.
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    Sorry old, we have not had the same experiences. We've had good experience at Vanderbilt Hospital, Baptist and Baptist South in Jax, community hospitals and Maine Med up in Maine and Martin Memorial (Stuart) and Mayo's hospital in Jax for family members.

    I have no idea who any of these hospitals are owned by but my experience has been that health care professionals are like any other line of work. Some are absolutely terrific, exceptional people. Some are average...they care and do their jobs but don't stand out. And a small # probably should change careers. Same as any line of work.

    And typically the money paid to these hospitals is paid by Insurance, Medicare, Medicaid or personal funds. The for profit chains run on margins of about 4-5% profit. Have not noticed a difference in care or attitude of employees.
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    BS! What republican initiated policies caused the housing market crash?
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    Answer. None. But that won't stop them from blaming Bush.
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    I love how people like oldgator tells us Obama is better than the alternative! What are you a psychic? Romney's policies that were presented were much better and you kind of look foolish with that response.
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    GOP policy caused the crash.

    Glass Steagall was step one.
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    "Starting in the early 1960s federal banking regulators interpreted provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act to permit commercial banks and especially commercial bank affiliates to engage in an expanding list and volume of securities activities.[3] By the time the affiliation restrictions in the Glass–Steagall Act were repealed through the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act of 1999 (GLBA), many commentators argued Glass–Steagall was already “dead.”[4] Most notably, Citibank’s 1998 affiliation with Salomon Smith Barney, one of the largest US securities firms, was permitted under the Federal Reserve Board’s then existing interpretation of the Glass–Steagall Act.[5] President Bill Clinton publicly declared "the Glass–Steagall law is no longer appropriate."[6]

    What GOP policy specifically caused the housing crash Fred?
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    Ditto, flip side.

    What amazes me is that the 3 points you mention above deal with jobs and salaries, and yet not a breath of criticism or blame against business. The "Immaculate Corporations."

    Government makes a convenient whipping boy/scapegoat, doesn't it?

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