Are We Sure There's No "I" in Team?

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    There is a "me" in team...
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    Generally speaking I can agree that one player can take a team to the next level. We've seen that. Can he do it irrespective of the parts around him? That I don't agree with it.
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    I hope we'd all agree with this. QBs can really impact the games, as they can touch the ball on every possession, but defenders really don't have this control. It seems a bit more like a defense is only as strong as its weakest link. Corners are great, but linebackers are awful? You are probably still in for some pain.
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    Not really. In 2006, it was 7th, which was better than in Tebow's last year. I wish Football Outsiders would show the formula. I'd like to know what we were in 2004, when we had the 22d ranked total offense, 14th ranked passing offense, 58th ranked rushing offense and 19th ranked scoring offense.

    Our offense was a train wreck in 2003 and still finished 23d. I would imagine our S&P offense in 2004 was far higher, as the offense was much better than it was in 2005.
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    I guess, if you consider being ranked 7th vs. 9th in this one single model as being a meaningful difference, but I wouldn't recommend that (not to mention that Tebow no doubt earned some win shares during the 2006 season).
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    Tebow was a backup RB who occasionally threw. Deshawn Wynn contributed more in 2006. Harvin, OTOH, played full time for much of the season. Chris Leak and Harvin were the engines of the 2006 offense, not Tebow.

    The Tebow Era began in 2007, not 2006...
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    Definitely. All I said is that Tebow still probably earned some win shares in that season. That's all.
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    But there was a big dropoff from 2005 to 2006, and Tebow had a relatively minimal impact. This is why I would have loved to see the 2004 numbers as well, because if one compares 2004 to 2005:

    Category--------------------2004-----------2005

    Total Offense.........................22d.............61st
    Pass Offense..........................14th............51st
    Pass Efficiency Offense............14th............35th
    Rushing Offense......................58th............56th
    Scoring Offense......................19th............49th

    The 2004 offense was FAR better than the 2005 offense. I have always maintained if we kept Fedora's offense in 2005, I think we would have won the SEC that year, as we had the 9th ranked defense.
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    Yeah I'd be interested to see the 2004 numbers as well. Indeed the offense seemed to move pretty well that year. I agree that we likely would have competed very well holding over the 2004 offense to 2005. (However, we may have gained some experience that helped out down the road in 2007)

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