Are they the bane of our existence?

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    In recent years they have killed drives and changed the momentum. Today we gave Toledo 70 yds today and it cost us field position as well as points. It seems that for the past several years the Gators on average have been near the top of the SEC in penalties. Illegal procedure, offside, dlay of game, etc calls against us come against us at the worst possible times.

    Will mentioned it coming off the field at halftime that we shot ourselves in the foot. How do the other teams in the league learn to stop these mistakes? If we hope to play for
    championships we need to correct this tendency!
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    I believe UF has been at the top or near the top of the SEC in penalties since Spurrier was our coach.
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    I thought you were talking about the Referees...
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    That is correct. Par for the course.
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    I have always believed that some of it is simply the refs, unintentionally, evening the scales a little bit.

    Holding calls can be called almost every play if you want, so the refs have to decide WHEN and against whom to call a holding.

    I think they have a lower standard to call UF for holding than they do teams like Toledo (they think to themselves, "well UF is already at a huge advantage, can't let them get an even bigger one...")

    where when they see a play involving a Toledo hold, they say "aww, that was close, these guys are getting pounded,not gonna back them up even more..."
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    I also think UF's reputation for being penalized makes it easy for the ref to pull the flag in close situations...

    It becomes self-fulfilling to some extent...
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    The Dunbar hold was pretty frustrating because the official was in no position to see it. Most of them were silly, such as offsides.
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    That Dunbar penalty was particularly unfortunate as it was a beautiful job of blocking by a WR. It was right below us, and Quentin engaged his guy and drove him 15 yards back toward the sideline and finished it by putting him on his azz. Live and on stadium replay looked clean to me. Mondo props to Q for laying it out for the team.

    And if that was holding, then what was happening to Dominique all afternoon? At the hands of the team that received nary a holding flag? :roll:
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    Florida is always at the top, Bama is always at the bottom.

    Doesn't matter who the coach is, doesn't matter if the teams are experienced or very young, doesn't matter if the players are aggressive or laid-back.

    I have always felt that a statistical analysis of the penalty issue would prove significant bias.
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    I thought the calls today were legit. Defensive offsides needs to be cleaned up. Need to focus on ball instead if anticipating snap count. The defense is usually good for about 4-5 of these a game.
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    False starts hurt too.
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    I thought the Dunbar hold was an OK call. When I saw it live I thought it was bogus, but on replay, he definitely had a little grab on the side of the defender. I've seen worse not get called, but I couldn't disagree with the call.
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    UGA is always up there in penalties too...

    It has to stop one year doesn't it? We have to clean it up.
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    The broadcast showed the toledo center would simulate the snap with his his left arm. It was definitely the reason Easley jumped at least one time in the second half. Andre Ware pointed it out. Very annoying.
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    Last year we had 105 penalties for 895yds in 13 games.

    Today we had 10 for 70 yards. Seems pretty much the norm to me, as frustrating as it is.

    By way of reference, this week:

    Georgia (vs No.8) had 9 for 84
    USC (vs. State Rival) had 7 for 53
    LSU (vs. No.2) had 7 for 43
    TAMU had 5 for 52
    Bama had 4 for 35

    Make your own assumptions about Bama - is it biased calling or team discipline? I couldn't comment but speaking statistically it seems like we're only a call or two away from being in the middle of the pack. A couple of false starts from the sneaky play by their centre and there's little difference.

    Personally I'm not too fussed about penalties where we are being overaggressive to get to the QB. Playing close to the 'line' will bring that sometimes. We benefit from that way of playing too but that doesn't show up on the stat sheet.

    What I don't want to see are penalties for lining up wrong, a personal lack of discipline or something that could have been otherwise prepared for. I'm sure Coach will address those things...
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    Someone on a post a couple of months ago did an extensive study of the most penalized teams in the SEC. We were consistently at the top through the Spurrier, Zook, Meyer, and Muschamp years. The conclusion was, regardless of the coach, the Gators are heavily penalized. Probably bias more than anything else.
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    Put it this way. Where are you going to find a group of men willing to spend as much time around college football as refs do that aren't also fans.
    They have biases just like any other fan and even though they might really try and be fair they see the game thru those biases
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    no big deal--fla was probably flat, looking ahead to the U--they'll get the penalty thing corrected
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    Bama did get called for a hold though!!! I nearly fainted! :D
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    I can't believe he didn't get called on that ONE time all game. The guy was flinching on just about every snap.

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