Are Boehner and Cruz going to do serious harm to the Republican party?

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  1. HallGator

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    I was reading the following article and started thinking what would happen if we get to the point of default and Obama chooses to pay the bills in spite of no resolution by Congress. According to what some of our members have discussed he could well within his right to do so and if he did who would stop him? Arresting him is far from a small matter and from what I've read the SCOTUS would have to rule on his actions if he were to take this course.

    I've also posted a link to a Ga. conservative site that discusses arresting a POTUS.

    I'm thinking that Boehner and co. could find themselves in treacherous straits wondering where they went wrong. Many on here may not like Obama but he made his way up through the Chicago political machine and underestimating him could be a serious mistake.


    http://georgiaconservative.net/can-a-president-be-arrested/#
  2. DaveFla

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    Perhaps, but not nearly to the extend Obama, Reid and Pelosi have done to the Democratic Party.
  3. HallGator

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    Actually I believe it could marginalize Republicans to a large degree. Obama has one of the two houses on his side; he controls the executive branch, and he stands a good chance of getting a favorable ruling from the judicial branch. His popularity is not good but it is most definitely better than Congress so it is far from a given he will come out on the worst end of this.

    I have felt all along this was a fight Republicans should not have picked and they may still come out okay but that is not a given by any stretch.
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    Hall, I've had similar thoughts. It will be interesting to see how this ends.
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    Piecemeal bills can solve all of that waste and over spending.
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    Given that the vast majority of government is operating during this so-called shut down (of museums etc) and that the average voter who lives off of the government has the attention span of the fruit fly on a good day, the clear answer is no.

    Not everyone is media brainwashed outside of the beltway. As Kimmel showed, so many don't know that ACA and Obamacare are the same thing.
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    The republican party has to change and the old dogs need to be set out to pasture.
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    The only people lathered up over this are those inside the beltway and the political hacks. Those supporting President Doofus will continue to do so and those on the other side are probably proud of Boehner and Cruz for actually taking a stand.

    All will be forgotten by the 2014 mid terms.
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    Stock market guys say the debt is solving itself from better economy
    in the private sector yet the sky is falling crowd is
    now trying to make it fall...in order to get rid of someone
    time is already moving that way.

    It doesnt help the party when they follow those who are in this for
    personal gain in poltics.

    In todays Parade magazine it has Tip and Reagan and how
    they were great friends despite their politics.

    The tea party only has foes and are a sad representation of a party much better than they.
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    Your probably to young to remember but Reagan was treated as the great satin from the left. Tip O'Neill and Reagan were not great friends by any means, Reagan ate his lunch and was so clever doing it that Tip O'Neill didn't even know it. Did the same "accurate" article also say that there were seven shutdowns when Reagan was President and O'Neill Speaker?
  11. rpmGator

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    My first vote was for Reagan over Bush in the primary.

    Tip visited Reagan in the hospital after he was shot and
    Reagan was a regular visitor wheñ Tip had his St. Patric luncheons.

    Their politics were opposite but they were indeed friends who could seperate the politcs from friendship.

    Something these vitrolic types fail to do.
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    It just to happens that Reagan had a very civil side but don't mistake that for him not getting his way. As fare as Tip visiting Reagan in the hospital, geeez the guy almost died.
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    Yep, but how many would recite bible verse and kiss Obamas forehead in similar circumstances.

    The hatred today isn't helpful to this nation.

    Tip visited a friend not a foe
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    I don't think so. You seem to think what is going on now is something new, but it really isn't. Tip and Reagan were not the pal's you think they were. The media loves to report this buy it is B.S., Reagan was the master at manipulating the media.
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    Cruz is making the same mistake that Gingrich, Santorum, Bachmann and others have made before him. He sees a quick path to notoriety and a strong cult following, but that's all it will ever be. He is gaining that appeal at the expense of moderates who are needed for a true chance at the presidency.

    Boehner is simply desperate to hold on to power, so he isn't allowing himself to be flanked from the right.
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    Cruz is not in the leadersip
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    True, but I think he has designs on the presidency. I think he views all of this newfound notoriety as his path, when in fact it is probably counterproductive to that desire.

    Not to mention that a year from now when people go to the poll for congress, they are going to lump the congressional republicans together, just as they will the democrats. Just because he isn't in leadership doesn't mean he can't be detrimental, same way that idiot Akin and the guy in Indiana among others hurt Romney.
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    it is reee dik uh luss that we keep raising the debt ceiling year after year after year

    at some point someone needs to have the gonies to say STOP- get rid of baseline budgeting and cut spending

    the dems can say all they want that not raising the debt ceiling is going to cause us to default-so is raising the debt ceiling- and you dem lite mod pubs need to decide which way you want to go
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    The issue isn't the debt ceiling, it's the budget. By the time it gets to the Debt Ceiling the money has already been spent, the train has left the station and the horse is out of the barn. It's for show only with dire consequences if we don't do it.

    The answer is in the budget.
  20. gatorman_07732

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    I don't pretend to know what's in his head with regard to his ambitions, but he has been consistent from the time he campaigned up until now. I get he's not you cup of tea but there are a lot of people that believe he's pretty genuine.

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