AP Analysis: Iraq upheaval threatens Obama legacy

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  1. dadx4

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    http://news.yahoo.com/ap-analysis-iraq-upheaval-threatens-obama-legacy-135545569.html

    What legacy? He pulled a Vietnam.

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    "After years of resisting the pull of more Mideast conflicts ..."

    Really? I don't recall Congress dragging him into Libya kicking and screaming. I don't even recall him asking for the authority to execute that particular adventure under the law. So where exactly was the resistance?
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    The only thing I can see is the Iraq status of forces agreement
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    This will work in his favor. Is there any liberal that would go against him? If Obama starts carpet bombing would not the Obama Zombies think it was the best idea ever. Hell I'd like the guy.

    "It also raises fresh questions about whether Obama's desire to end the war clouded his assessment of the risks of fully withdrawing U.S. troops, as well as his judgment about the threat posed by the extremists."

    Fresh questions? Not a question. It's a fact. Incredible ignorant actions with predictable outcome. The legacy of the Obama administration will be one big I_TOLD_YOU_SO. His policies are doomed to failure out of the gate - no surprise there.
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    It mostly just threatens Bush's legacy. We all knew Iraq would fall apart unless we kept forces there indefinitely.
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    LOL. yep still Bush's fault.
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    And yet your hero left those people hanging out to dry to appease his base. Bravo.
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    Yes, Iraq is Bush's fault. He's the one who made the decision to invade it.
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  9. dadx4

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    Noodle boy is the one that went all Vietnam on Iraq. It was all political just like Nam, not one thought of "hey so if I please my base by bailing would the terrorists come back before we have the Iraqi Army ready?" Heck man, my 11 year old daughter knows the answer to that.
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    I'm gonna assume that you were alive in 2001.
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    Pretty sure it will only be a matter of time before his releasing of the Obama 5 comes back to haunt him the same way. The only question is will the press cover it and how will those that support him defend it without trying to blame Bush somehow.
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    Problem is, I doubt the Iraqi Army was going to be ready this generation. Our next generation, or the generation after. Iraq has a history of civil war whenever there isn't a strong arm dictator our strong foreign power in charge.

    Iraq would have devolved into civil war if Obama had pulled the troops like he did. Or, Obama could have passed the buck to the next guy who may have pulled the troops and watch Iraq devolve. Or maybe we keep the troops in Iraq and the guy elected in 2036 pulls them, and then Iraq finally devolves!

    Point is, it's a no win situation. Either we keep the troops there indefinitely while we spend billions to do so and have American blood spilled, or we pull out and let Iraq devolve. These two potential outcomes were set in motion when Bush decided to invade. And Iraq devolving now? On Bush. Never should have gone in when we did.
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    Iraq threatens Obama's legacy? You mean, the legacy of a weak economy, failed socialist policies, and a health care program that borders on disaster? Or the legacy of insulting (and spying on) allies, releasing dangerous prisoners, and encouraging enemies with spineless proclamations lacking any resolve behind them? You'll have to be more specific.
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    I see. So when Obama was running for election in 2008, democrats supported him because he could easily fix all of Bush's "screwups". After all, democrats referred to GWB as a chimp. How hard could it be to fix the screwups of a chimp? Yet, when Obama cannot fix the chimp's screwups and in fact makes them worse, these same democrats declare that the chimp screwed up worse than they thought. How convenient . . .
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  17. dadx4

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    We could have done Iraq the same way we do Germany, Japan, South Korea and other areas in the world.
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    No we could not. Germany, Japan, and Korea had centuries of being a unified country with a national identity. Iraq? Not yet a century old with a history of in-fighting, civil war, despots, and colonial rule. In contrast, Germans have a proud, shared heritage, and people identify as German first. In Iraq, the local tribe such as Kurd, Shiite, or Sunni is most important and Iraq is a nationally that isn't always shared among citizens.

    It's naivete to believe just because something worked in one geographical area and say the exact same thing will work, guaranteed, without studying the areas history, politics, and people. "Winning the peace" in Iraq was lost the moment Bush decided to invade. Every time Iraq has been without a despotic ruler or strong- arm foreign rule, the result has been civil war. Why did or does it shock anyone that it happened again?Iraq was one mess nobody was going to be able to fix any time soon.
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    Iraq was actually doing just fine until Barrack Hussein Obama politicized the war and had been for YEARS. Then he pulls us out ala Vietnam. Another war where a general from the other side admitted that another 30 days they would have surrendered. If you involve politics in war you LOSE.
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    Especially when the politician involved is a dangerous amateur instead of an experienced professional.
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