Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by MastaG8r, Jul 1, 2013.
To do that requires takin off the binders.
Obviously, to md, this "one republican lawyer's" opinion trumps the actual CFR...
Did you read my post? Or are you just replying to my post without reading them?
He copied the laws that "might have been broken" from the article I quoted in which the Republican lawyer said he didn't think any laws were broken in targeting and that they would have to prove intent to prove laws were broken, which they haven't even come close to doing. So no, there has not been a substantive accusation of a law being broken.
That is because there has been no adequate investigation yet.
Back to the beginning.
I was just going to write that.
There has been an FBI investigation, an investigation by the Republican controlled House committee, and internally at the IRS. What would satisfy you as being adequate? Or is this more an issue of the investigation not reaching your desired conclusion?
None of those investigations are complete. And there is some evidence the FBI is not vigorously pursuing the matter
What evidence is that?
And I believe the internal investigation is complete, as they have released a report on the matter.
Let's see. Who does the head of the FBI report to. Huuuummm.
Well Lawsey Moses, it is Eric Holder hisself.
Now . . . that couldn't possibly have anything to do with the vigor - or lack thereof - with which they pursued the investigation, and most certainly would not have affected the conclusion that they started with, er . . . excuse me . . . arrived at, now would it ? ? ? ? ?
Why of course not Virginia. Santa Escape Clause would never permit that.
So no, unless the investigation arrives at your predetermined outcome, it won't be good enough for you. I would have expected an attorney wouldn't think predetermining the outcome of a legal matter is a good idea.
I guess we will see, but you have now given yourself a psychological out in case the investigation doesn't reach your desired conclusion, similar to how liberals acted with the whole attorney-gate scandal.
Let me know when there has been a credible accusation made of an actual law being broken and not just idle speculation with the caveat that it is all likely unprovable.
Apparently you know nothing about the power to accuse, and how it is often wielded by those in power to serve their own ends. Accusers often start with a predetermined and of course, desired conclusion, and work the convenient facts in a way to arrive there. Duh.
It is not like a faux investigation has to really, really come up with "the truth." For the partisan investigation, "the truth" is in the eye of the beholder.
But I thought everybody with a brain knew that.
A qualifier that eliminates many folks.
I guess my solution to the problems of the world is to try to do better. You would rather roll around in the muck.
The unfortunate part of your solution, is to ignore the problems.
Other than that, sure, carry on.
MD, Unfortunately US History is littered with way too many instances where our elected and appointed officials were found to be guilty (or exposed years latter) of abusing the authority, responsibility, and privilege if their positions.
In many cases these people were able to operate in a vacuum devoid of the checks and balances to avoid accountability.
In many of these instances clues or hints of their illegal actions surfaced. Unfortunately the arena these people operate in is bi-partisan or multi-partisan arena. This arena is know to be the scene of false accusations that turn into witch hunts and demonization. It is also known to expose the fraud and deceit of the guilty who used the cries of witch hunts and demonization to rebuff their accusers.
Thus when these hints and clues turn up there is a need for investigation. Preferably this the investigation should be done by a independent third party. Again unfortunately, Capitol Hill and the White House are adverse to independent and impartial third party investigations. The current method being used is flawed and has been abused by both Houses of Congress and the White House (Dems and Reps).
I now refer to the hints and clues of the alleged IRS scandal. These hints and clues were not discovered by the Repubs nor the Dems. They were brought to light by the US Treasury Inspector General. Please note that the audit/investigation was triggered by organizations that reported questionable practices by the IRS concerning their applications for tax exempt status.
When the US Treasury Department received these complaints from the members of both Houses of the US Congress they had only one option to take and that was to order their Inspector General to conduct an investigation/audit. The product of the Inspector General was that it appeared that there is merit to the complaints.
We are now at the point where a thorough and honest investigation of these chargers is needed.
The objective of this investigation is to protect the interest of all US citizens.
The first goal of the investigation is to determine if ethics and or laws were violated.
The second goal is to identify who were the violators.
The third goal is to bring the accused violators to trial to determine their guilt or innocence.
The fourth goal to drop the charges on the innocent and make the guilty accountable.
It appears that these goals and objectives will never be obtained. The current method of House/Senate hearings and special investigators does nothing but make good drama or comedy for the media and cannon fodder for political campaigning. Both the Dems and the Repubs have corrupted this process to the point where getting justice is just a fairy tale.
It is way past time for a change in how our elected and appointed officials determined to be responsible and held accountable.
We need that change now!
IRS Documents Reveal Agency Flagged Groups for 'Anti-Obama Rhetoric,' Big Three Refuse to Report
Senior Internal Revenue Service officials—including one at the heart of the IRS “targeting” scandal—violated agency policies and possibly federal records laws by using private email to send confidential taxpayer information, the GOP-led House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform said in a letter.
In a Sept. 30 letter to IRS Acting Commissioner Daniel Werfel obtained by the Free Beacon, Oversight Chairman Darrel Issa (R., Calif.) said an investigation revealed a “troubling pattern” of at least four top IRS officials using their private email addresses to relay confidential tax information.
“This not only raises the prospect of violations of the Federal Records Act but it also raises data security concerns and violates internal IRS policies,” Issa wrote to Werfel.
IRS policies prohibit employees from sending confidential taxpayer information through non-official channels. Federal statutes also strictly prohibit the IRS from releasing taxpayer information.
Additionally, federal employees are prohibited from using private email accounts to conduct official business, unless they copy their official accounts on such messages to ensure they are properly recorded.