Another Senior IRS Official takes the Fifth Amendment

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    This is actually over a different IRS scandal that's being investigated, but apparently refusing to testify is becoming standard procedure for IRS officials when questioned.

    Any comment on this from posters who are defending the IRS?

    Especially interested in comments from posters who have defended the IRS, and particularly Lois Lerner's right to refuse to testify, but have also said that if accused murderer George Zimmerman does not take the stand to testify in his trial, it will be indicative of his guilt. How do you reconcile those positions?
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    Update on this issue, by the way:

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    lock her up...I am sure Holder will defend her and the NSA is busy combing through data on those members who voted against her
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    Chirp, chirp..
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    Shut the thing down.
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    When the whole Valerie Plame things was being investigated, then President Bush ordered everyone in his administration to fully cooperate. Ordered. No one took the fifth, allthough one guy, Scooter Libby was convicted of lying under oath.

    One wonders why President Obama has not done the same thing here? I wonder if he is afraid of what that might uncover? I wonder if he has, through back channels, told everyone involved that he will pardon them, if they are convicted?
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    Lerner resigned, isn't that convenient
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    OK, if anyone gets audited, take the 5th.
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    So Bush always ordered people not to use the fifth amendment or just in that specific case? Was he worried about what might be uncovered in other instances when the fifth amendment was invoked during his administration?

    Also, did he forget to order Scooter Libby to tell the truth?
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    nice dodge, why hasn't 0 ordered cooperation on this or Benghazi?

    repeat after me, two wrongs do not make a right
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    because the irs bosses are all liberals, all this illegal stuff is now somehow "OK!" classic.
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    Said nothing about Zimmerman's refusal to testify, as I don't think he was a particularly sympathetic person or a terribly bright one, such that not testifying made a lot of sense from a legal perspective, setting aside guilt.

    However, every person has the right not to testify. There is a reason it is in the Bill of Rights. It does not imply guilt. If he is guilty, then I hope he is put in jail. I see no real political implication here, as we are talking about potential criminal activity by a career employee. Cronyism is unfortunately rampant in all large organizations. The fact that he was caught is a good thing and hopefully, if guilty, he is convicted.
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    Again, responding directly to a point raised is not a dodge.

    As for your question, Lerner no longer has a job. The former head of the IRS no longer has a job. This guy is awaiting the decision of the IRS whether to fire him. I am not sure what an order to testify does exactly after you stop being the employer for somebody.

    Has anybody taken the Fifth Amendment on Benghazi?
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    Bush ordered everyone in his administration to fully cooperate in the Valerie Plame investigation. Libby lied under oath and was tried and convicted for lying under oath. That was the only charge and the only conviction in the Plame affair.

    We have not seen Obama exerting that kind of leadership here.
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    0 and his machine are cutting out the liability so that he can claim it is not under his control so what they choose to do is their business. nothing is ever his fault, ultimate liberal viewpoint.

    they effectively misused the power of the irs to suppress the formation of grass roots get out the vote organizations that may have resulted in his loss at the polls. the damage is done, now they are cutting ties with their operators that were caught and will identify a way later to reward these loyal foot soldiers.

    I am sure that you would have had no issues if the groups targeted and prevented from forming until after the election would have been progressive get out the vote groups supporting the democratic candidate. (sarcasm emoticon here)

    has anybody cooperated on Benghazi? including the executive office?
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    Didn't answer any of the three questions.
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    Actually, we have evidence of progressive ones being targeted based on names as well. So that part of your baseless rant is demonstrably false.

    The rest is pure speculation based on nothing. Just the story you have written in your own head. If you find evidence of any of that, let me know.

    And yes, many people from the Executive Branch have testified to Congress on Benghazi.
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    My goodness. Dense much?

    1.) Bush ordered everyone in his administration to cooperate with the Plame investigation. Can it get any more clearer than that?
    2.) Is this next question a stealth ad hominem attack? I am not aware of any investigation into the Bush Administration where anyone one in his administration took the fifth. Are you?
    3.) See the answer to #1. Scooter Libby lied and was convicted for it. He did not take the fifth
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    Administration officials under Bush did take the fifth in other investigations. You may want to look up the name of Monica Goodling. First DOJ employee ever to take the fifth on something involving official duties and remaining an employee of the government (although this was brief). Also, she was a political appointee, unlike these career government employees, so much closer to the political portion of the administration.

    Where was Bush's leadership on that? Do you think he was worried about what would be uncovered?

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