Another Obama lie: Business are not reducing employee hours due to ACA

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    Remember when Jay Carney said:

    Well, a recent study shows:

    And keep in mind this is already happening nearly 14 months before the ACA employer mandate kicks in.

    The ACA is the worst piece of legislation since the 18th Amendment.
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    I really wonder if they were to repeal it would hiring increase and would insurance premiums go down. Don't trust either side in this fiasco. Neither the government nor big business.
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    Insurance will take advantage of the chaos and raise premiums. It is what they do. Is it right of them to do so? No. Is it expected following the chaos? Yes. Could it have been avoided? Sure with no Obozocare.

    Now that we have gotten that out of the way and we know insurance companies don't give a darn about politics, only profits, then you can blame the government for the fallout. How do you fix it? Any solution would involve some kind of monetary refund, for which taxes must be in place. Either way the public suffers.
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    Jay Carney or his boss can call me and I'll tell him why business are behaving how they are right now.

    Socialists often need help understanding basic economics.
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    I can take you to three houses right now of friends who retired from the insurance business and made the mistake of trusting the companies they worked for for many years. All conservative, God loving, gun loving, Fox News watching folks. Not the first one of them would piss on an a major insurance companies building if they saw it was on fire.
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    I've seen it firsthand with some of our clients who reduced their number of employees so they would not be subject to Obamacare or reduced employee hours so they would not be subject to it.
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    Well that's just good common sense. Must be the conservative influence.

    Sounds like a liberal stunt to burn off your pecker just to say you did something.
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    Yeah! :roll:
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    We should repeal the ACA and then work to make a system that actually lowers the cost of Healthcare nation-wide... for everyone.
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    Unless you can increase competition, which is naturally low, or decrease the value of healthcare by making life less valuable to live, good luck. Simply lowering costs will be mostly eaten up by higher profits, as demand is so ridiculously inelastic due to the very low competition of high end services such as those provided by hospitals and the unattractiveness of the outside option (some probability of death).

    I guess you could try to lower the costs or requirements in becoming a doctor. That might lower the cost (and quality) of primary care a bit. But I am not sure there is a major pent up demand by people trying to get into Primary Care being kept out of medical schools or unable to afford medical schools.
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    Health savings accounts with a catastrophic bridge plan :wink:
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    Does anyone think allowing health insurance across state lines would open the competition to lowering prices? Sure seems that in the past when you couldn't buy outside of your state, it made it difficult to get competitive pricing.
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    Like Singapore or do you want to drop the price controls, public hospitals, and compulsory nature of the health savings accounts?
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    Right, we'll just model something after Singapore. :crazy:
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    Only true for insurance, not healthcare. Those are different things. So allowing competition across states will push insurance company profits down, but as has been pointed out here before, insurance company profit margins aren't huge anyways. The profits are largely being extracted by pharmaceutical companies and equipment manufacturers, as well as hospitals (especially for-profit hospitals).

    And states maintain the regulatory power on insurance. I thought state-level regulation instead of federal-level regulation was a conservative idea. Is it not?
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    Well that is the only system in the world that uses health savings accounts as the primary vehicle by which health care is provided. So who would we model in designing such a system?
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    It backfired on Walmart. Turns out serving the customer is more important to the bottom line than playing politics.

    Wal-Mart Returning To Full-Time Workers-Obamacare Not Such A Job Killer After All?

    Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest employer, announced Monday that 35,000 part-time employees will soon be moved to full-time status, entitling them to the full healthcare benefits that were scheduled to be denied them as a result of Wal-Mart’s efforts to avoid the requirements of Obamacare.

    While some analysts believe that the move comes as Wal-Mart is attempting to deal with the negative view many Americans have of its worker benefits program, a closer look reveals the real reason for the shift—

    Wal-Mart’s business is going south due to the company’s penchant for putting politics and the squeeze on Wal-Mart employees ahead of the kind of customer satisfaction that produces prosperity over the long-term.
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    Perhaps you have the ability to be more creative, or not. Unless you give the consumers more control prices will never come down.
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    Control over what exactly would lower prices? Again, unless people become willing to accept the outside option or a major increase in supply occurs, I am not sure how you are planning on decreasing prices here.
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    There is no lie the WH will not tell to keep Obama's Legacy

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