An Alabama's family experience with the ACA

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    not that it has anything to do with this thread, but what are those horrendous lies you keep on about?

    and did the lies 'that other guy' told, upset you as much?

    just askin.

    (i don't expect an answer to this above question. i've asked it before, and gotten no answer except "bush derangement syndrome" which i don't think i'll hear this time, since Obama derangement syndrome has reached epidemic proportions.)
    and i find it still funny that NO conservatives want to talk about 'that guy'. he was 'their guy', but he embarrassed their 'brand', and it was a rough 8 yrs, so he is (in truth) 'persona non grata' to them. however, we 'libs' aren't allowed to bring him up, even if its still relevant, which it is.


    not saying president o is perfect. none of them ever is. but he's not the godawful horrid criminal lying pos you guys refer to him as.
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    wait...wait...wait... i know i know i know..pick me, mister kotter!!!


    BENGHAZI!!! BENGHAZI B>>>E>>>N>>>G>>>>H>>>>A>>>>Z>>>>I!!!!!!



    is that as bad as saying there are WMD in a country where there aren't any, and attacking said country....and blaming that country for having a part in the worst terrorist incident in history....when they obviously had nothing to do with it? lots more than 4 died.
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    You probably don't understand math. It's not your fault. You're a democrat.

    Obamacare is not the end of society. It's the end of the economy. It will drive us deeper and deeper into debt, to the point that inflation is unleashed and we return to 1970's interest rates. People who need to borrow money will be screwed, and the poor will get poorer and the rich will hold on to their money. Notice I didn't say that the rich will get richer. In an Obama-style socialist economy, everybody loses. Some more than others.

    But keep blathering about President Bush and his alleged lies. It's working for you. Except that GWB never knowingly told a lie as president that I'm aware of. He's really too dumb to tell a lie. Obama is too smart of a socialist not to lie (he knows the gullible democrats out there need something to believe).
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    if we have trouble with math, you have worse trouble with english. lol.

    do i need to repost the definition of 'socialist' so that you realize you're grasping at straws there? p.s. the rich ARE getting richer.
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    Funny vert....you are showing symptoms of that same affliction fred has--wealth envy.
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    Well, that and "we aren't dedicated enough and we need to spend even MORE money and force people to conform to an even higher level."
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    uh no. haha. just pointing out a documented fact as a rebuttal to an incorrect statement. you know how i am about that. you guys....lol


    (i pointed out an error bill made wrt abortion rate among african american women on this week's abortion thread. doesn't mean i'm gonna have an abortion, or that i'm black)
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    Haha. Looks like you are the one having trouble with English. I was obviously referring to the future, not the present. Do you have any articles about future income?

    The U.S. economy is a very heavy ship with a lot of momentum. When an incompetent president like Obama puts an iceberg in front of it, it takes a long time for the disaster to unfold. It took ten years for the economy to collapse after Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Steagal into law. Cool your jets and wait a while.

    BTW, research actually is a conservative strong point, it's just that we don't have a lot of spare time after working hard to prop up the government that has been badly mismanaged by democrats and other fiscal liberals.

    To summarize, conservatives are better at math AND (apparently) English than liberals, and can do research when needed, but tend to do the correct research instead of misreading something and doing the wrong research.
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    no. you're having trouble with english. same deal with one of your cohorts. you're under the mistaken assumption that you can define words based upon your own opinions.

    you guys never do research, lol, unless you count 'mass emails' as research

    (on the other hand, we never EVER post mass emails as 'info'...lol)


    you have to quit pointing out the whole 'glass steagall gramm leach bliley AND clinton'....haha. i'm the one that posted that, and i knew you'd jump on that, when you'd discovered that, indeed, at this point in time, 'gramm leach bliley' has done more to wreck the economy (which would also translate to 'social breakdown') than the ACA has.

    i'm no fortune teller, i have no crystal ball, so maybe in the future that will change, but thus far: you're wrong.
    unless your crystal ball or magic eight ball tells you something i don't know..


    where do you GET that cons 'research better' or are 'better in math' or 'english' and just all around smarter? i'd put the obama, clinton, kennedy intellect up against your guys, including the sainted ronnie, any old day. i think nancy ran the white house during ronnie's second term.



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    it's ORANGE JULIUS TIME!!!

    :)
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    bahahaha.

    St. Ronnie wasn't all that smart, he just played a smart guy on screen ;)
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    Reagan had more common sense than all three democrats combined. Of course, two of the democrats you mentioned just became president for the easy access to women, and the third became president so he could read about himself in the newspaper. Real winners.

    Here's where the math comes in. I'll try to talk slowly for you. Obamacare has been active for about ten days. That's about 3% of a year. Clinton's little screw-up was active for TEN years before the magnitude of the problem it created became apparent. Dividing by the alleged denominator, correcting for wind speed and direction, we have: Clinton's screwup was active for 330 times as long as Obamacare has been before it crashed. Hence, the recommendation to be patient before you can recognize how big of a cluster%^* Obamacare really is.

    But if you had common sense (which is a trait that conservatives are known to have; liberals, not so much), you would be able to see that Obamacare is a failure in that it doesn't do what it is supposed to, which is increase access to affordable health care and reduce the costs of health care. It does cost a lot of money, and allows a weak president to cling to something absurd as a measure of success ("more people have insurance now, even if they can't afford to use it!"). That is an entirely separate math problem.
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    excerpts from the new condensed version of the neocon dictionary:

    socialism, communism, fascism, liberalism: all means the same thing. we can’t exactly define that except to say it’s ALL bad.

    women: evil critters who’d fake a rape to get a free abortion. also, would continue to reproduce at the same rate as rabbits, just to get enough foodstamps for two kids

    ACA: socialized healthcare. just like communist canada.

    blathering: verb describing any discussion put forth by any liberal/progressive/democrat usually seen on a message board

    second amendment: this amendment is so important, it should be the first amendment

    fox news: the only news. everything else (and we do mean ‘everything else’) is just biased liberal media.

    compact car: 210 horsepower

    research: mass emails. after all, if they’re going out to everyone, they must be correct! *note: sometimes a breitbart blog will substitute for 'research'

    economy: only works when there’s a republican in office

    rush limbaugh: the guy we’d really like to see run for president. seriously.

    religion: born again evangelical christians only. everyone else is an atheist or heathen.

    red states: mostly ex-confederacy states. with a smattering of locations here and yon, like utah, and wyoming

    ponzi scheme: see ‘social security’

    true patriot: conservative evangelical denizens of red states. yes. this is a very narrow definition. so narrow we can't win a national election, but hey, there's always trampling voter's rights!

    gubmint: evil entity that takes all your money, and tramples your rights. only time gubmint is worth a damn is if there’s a hurricane, a twister, or a fertilizer plant explosion, in a red state.

    grandma: someone godless liberals want to pull the plug on. bastids.

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    so why are math scores lower in general, in red states?
    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970204394804577012232433055816?mod=googlewsj


    other point: you kind of bitched about higher interest rates from inflation all due to the aca in the future. so, how did you feel when the u.s. credit rating was downgraded when your guys were threatening a debt default? after all, that DOES cause higher interest rates.....
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    Come on, chem, why else become president if not for easy access to women? /:rolleyes::D

    While he was chasing intern tail in his private study, he also happened to have overseen more job creation than the last three pub presidents combined, even your cult hero, Reagan. Come to think of it, given that job creation since the 1950s much more favors dem than pub presidents and given that quite a few dem presidents have been known to be skirt chasers, maybe we need more skirt chasing in the WH!

    Common sense is a fallacious argument. Even W with his English language murdering ways had some common sense.

    Just saying obamacare is a failure doesn't make it so, and I don't think you have a crystal ball, so it remains to be seen. But given the big change that is underfoot, I have no doubt that it will need tweaking, as it already has. ATST, we could have learned from other countries who pay less for their health care, get equal or better quality health services, and are happy with their care just as those in the US with good plans are, but they don't leave millions hanging out there like we did in the US, nor do their systems comprise even close to their GDPs as ours does. At best, ours has been a great system, if you are wealthy enough to buy your own plan, or had a good enough job in which your employer could cover it. The rest, well too bad. Right? This is the conservative mantra, no?

    And for the record, people are signing up and it is getting folks covered that weren't before and it is offering affordable and decent plans, which is better than nothing. Besides, where's the pub plan to fix it? Nonexistent. They make no effort.They've sat on their collective behinds for two decades as this problem ran amok and then whine like banshees now that Obama and the dems did the right thing and addressed this problem. Maybe it's not perfect but it's a start, a start that the pubs have refused to even consider.
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    not only do they have no plan to fix it, but they voted to repeal it.....47 times! can't say those guys don't earn their keep, eh?
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    Looks like verti has blown a gasket...
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    nah, just some really good cough syrup for this never ending flu.

    i was having fun. do you guys still never laugh?

    cool thing is, whenever i forget a rightwing cliche', for the 'dictionary', someone here will never fail to inspire me

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    Clinton was able to "oversee" job creation because Reagan made the internet boom possible. Reagan brought us back form the brink of Jimmy Carter's Malaise economy, reined in inflation, started the process of de-regulation, got America to believe in herself again (while defeating the USSR), and gave businesses a stable economic environment that made them comfortable taking risks. Any idiot can oversee job creation when the economy is booming. Setting up the conditions that allow the economy to boom is the harder job.
    GWB did not have the common sense to stifle Dick Cheney when Cheney said there is nothing wrong with running up the federal debt. That's what created the RINO Congress, and Bridges to Nowhere projects, and free fire engines to combat terror. That is a huge lack of common sense in my book.
    "Affordable and decent" health care plans? The poor can afford to have health care plans (with gov't subsidies,of course). How decent are the plans if the poor cannot afford to use them? If the poor do not have money for the deductible, what then? How could Obama and Pelosi be so stupid to not think about this? We have a very expensive expansion of federal gov't with fundamental questions unanswered. Until those questions are answered, it is very easy to call the program a failure.

    Addressing something and improving it are two different things. Obama has been pushing for more federal involvement in health care, even though the feds are clearly not doing well at eliminating fraud and abuse in either Medicare or Medicaid. Why couldn't he have done something to clean up these two programs first, and demonstrate some federal gov't competence before taking on the rest of health care?

    The republicans have been pushing tort reform for years. It's not a complete answer, but it's a start and yet the democrats have fought this tooth and nail. Why? Unlike Romneycare, tort reform actually worked in California. Of all the costs in health care, paying lawyers millions of dollars for no reason is one of the biggest wastes there is. Lawyers do not improve health care--doctors and nurses do. Taking away tens of millions of dollars from hospitals only causes them to lay off nurses. So lawyers actually hurt health care while robbing it blind.

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